I don't think Trump ever cared about rules based order.

immibis · 2026-01-03T07:35:39 1767425739

His defenders kept, and keep, using it as an excuse.

JumpCrisscross · 2026-01-03T07:37:42 1767425862

> His defenders kept, and keep, using it as an excuse

Genuine request for a source here.

tome · 2026-01-03T07:59:04 1767427144

Seconded. I don't recall hearing anyone talk about "the rules based order" until a couple of years ago.

ModernMech · 2026-01-03T08:10:58 1767427858

When Trump talks about rules, laws, and order it’s in the “L'État, c'est moi” (the state is me) sense. I.e. following the law means following his whims.

joshuahaglund · 2026-01-03T08:32:07 1767429127

https://time.com/5846321/nixon-trump-law-and-order-history/

(They said law and order, because they couldn't say anti black)

JumpCrisscross · 2026-01-03T08:36:42 1767429402

> (They said law and order, because they couldn't say anti black)

Law and order != rules-based international order.

epistasis · 2026-01-03T07:53:27 1767426807

Never. Trump wants to be a dictator, he loves Putin, he wants power and any "rules" that control him are antithetical to his entire political program and to his political party.

Anybody who wants a rules based order is extremely anti-Trump, just as they are anti-Putin.

jennyholzer3 · 2026-01-03T14:03:32 1767449012

that's what you get for having conversations with fascists