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This is like when people defend Windows 11's nonsense by saying "you can disable or remove that stuff". Yes, you can. But you shouldn't have to, and I personally prefer to use tools which don't shove useless things into the tool because it's trendy.


not to mention firefox routinely blows up any policies you set during upgrades, incompatibilities, and an endless about:config that is more opaque than a hunk of room temperature lard.


Well, you aren't the only person using a tool, and it probably matters more to those who are making things "trendy".

In general, how else would people "learn" about a feature unless it was enabled by default or the product nagged them?


The difference is that on Windows all unwanted features eventually become mandatory, with no way of switching them off. With Firefox, it never happens.


If you listen to the doomers in this thread, it will.

They "will" remove the option from settings, hide it in about:config, then later on remove it from there!

Of course none of that is true...


They already have hidden these in about:config!

Right click anywhere, (ask an AI chatbot) right there. Go to settings, search AI or search Chatbot, nothing.


It's plausible because the team working on the settings screen will be reassigned to the "AI".


That's just doom saying at this point.


Mozilla hasn't had the benefit of the doubt for quite a while here. This isn't just one small kerfuffle coming out of nowhere.

They say trust takes a lifetime to build and seconds to break ". We're years into it at this point.


> Mozilla hasn't had the benefit of the doubt for quite a while here

In contrast to Google Chrome? This is just FUD. Ublock Origin is still working and will be working. Full customization is still there and isn't going away. All of that is unlike in Chrom(ium).


This is not a thread comparing Mozilla to Google. This is a thread where we worry about how a non google browsing alternative stays alive. Of course none of us posting here trusts Google.


> we worry about how a non google browsing alternative stays alive

> This is just FUD. Ublock Origin is still working and will be working. Full customization is still there and isn't going away.


> This is just FUD. Ublock Origin is still working

Correct.

> and will be working.

How do you know?

> Full customization is still there

Correct.

> and isn't going away.

How do you know?

How do you know this new "AI" CEO won't let both support for Manifest V2 and extensive settings rot because "AI can do it for you" for example?

Or as I said earlier, because they'll run out of money to pay for non "AI" features?


> How do you know?

Extrapolation. Also, because it's FLOSS and can be modified by anyone.


If you need to compare yourself to the literal devil then you're probably far from a saint yourself.


So what's the solution? Stay with the devil?


How is this different from linux? People happily spend hours customizing defaults in their OS. It’s usually a point of praise for open source software.


Bad defaults are bad defaults, and "you can turn them off" is not a good excuse for bad defaults continuing to be bad defaults


It is the default in every major browser at this point.

https://chromeenterprise.google/policies/#GenAiDefaultSettin...


Bad defaults are bad defaults, and "our competitor does the same thing" is not a good excuse for bad defaults continuing to be bad defaults


And Mozilla copying what every other browser (read: Chrome) does is exactly why thy no longer have any relevant market share.




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