Of course the other side of that is that Israel hasn't exactly been kind to the Palestinians. They've been Annexing land in the West Bank and blockading Gaza for what now seems like forever. I can certainly understand why Palestinians might be pissed, even if some of their tactics are abhorrent.

this is true, but i find it difficult to earnestly believe there would be some sizable decrease in violence in the counterfactual with no Gaza blockade. Settlements, sure.

Well since their land got invaded, houses stolen and demolished, burial grounds defiled, poisened with chemical weapons, ethnically dispelled, and crammed onto a piece of land the size of a city , I'd get why they'd still be pissed at the current state of affairs. This did not start on October 7th.

Arabs invaded and colonised Israel in 650. You can easily learn this from any textbook you like.

Their land is 22 countries, the nearly entire middle east and north africa you can learn that for many map.

Jews that were exiled to Iraq or Persia or Syria will be killed. You can learn this from any media you like that covers current affairs.

You can also see that Gaza has many wide open spaces by looking at the satellite view on Google maps.

People that wish to make a 23rd arab state and destroy the only Jewish state - as they proudly chant in the streets worldwide - generally propose doing this through violence you can learn this by looking at your own account history.

> generally propose doing this through violence

Non-violence is also an option. It's Israel that generally objects to international oversight, secular governance or reparation deals.

Israel are setting up international Arab governance for Gaza. And yes they’re understandably wary of anything coming from the UN, which as I’m sure you’ve aware runs schools teaching children to kill as many Jews as possible even if they potentially die in the process.

btw they just this week annexed another big chunk of Gaza

I dunno. I was a kid back then, but didn't the six day war start when Israel attacked Egyptian forces in the Sinai?

Hoping people see this comment when they think Israel are anything other than a war-mongering nation.

But they aren't a war mongering nation and the comment you are replying to specifically points this out - Arabs started the six days war war in 1967.

You're quite eager to skip over the Nakba in your accounting.

That was (supposedly) in 1948, not 1967.

Now you're really eager to deny the Nakba ever happened.

It didn’t. Arab league told arabs to leave the new country while they destroyed it. There were some notable skirmishes but no widespread forced evictions like the Arab nations did to the Jews. That’s why there’s 2M Israeli arabs.

The person you're responding to is making reference to the fact that Netanyahu props up Hamas because it's beneficial to his government.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up...

They made peace with Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon by invading their lands (and attempting to annex them!) and then US forced their hands to make peace. Please mention the context of this great "peace" Israel has made. Israel's neighbors don't hate it solely because of antisemitism.

Idk man, that sounds like the reason is antisemitism. Why else would you oppose giving your land to Israel?

And then subsequently ruined peace with 3/4 (Saudi never normalized).

> Islamists that hate Jews for not being part of their empire hate them.

That’s not even close to reality, but whatever helps you justify genocide I guess.

Saudi didn’t normalize because Hamas prevented it. October 7 was designed to radicalize and prevent normalization of relations. You’re helping them by reframing a justifiable war of self defense against terrorists as a “genocide”.

> Saudi didn’t normalize because Hamas prevented it. October 7 was designed to radicalize and prevent normalization of relations

Hamas prevented it because Israel has no free will? Israel is doomed to only react to Hamas?

Israel had an option to preserve their normalization and gain and keep the sympathy of the entire world. Instead they prefered to do annihilation and genocide.

> Hamas prevented it because Israel has no free will?

No. Hamas prevented it by creating another Arab Istraeli war.

> Instead they prefered to do annihilation and genocide.

No they didn't. You made that up. You can't have a genocide where the population increases that's a ridiculous thing to write.

Yes, they didn’t normalize, so they’re irrelevant to the peace equation floated by the person I replied to.

So a genocidal campaign to level Gaza and cleanse it of its human anima- oops, I meant people, expand settlements in the WB, and occupy southern Lebanon and Syria in pursuit of a “Greater Israel” is self-defense. Makes total sense.