I don't know about that, if settlers in the West Bank cop some violence then that's going to be considered well deserved.
Soldiers of 'a government' committing murder, rape and hostage taking on a music festival is going to earn you a bit of looking away to the consequences.
I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal not sacrifice everything in an eternal and vain attempt to remove Israel from the map.
> I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal
Well that is what they did. People like you told shite like "The war ends if they release the hostages".
They agreed to the first step of the peace plan. They released the hostages. They are keeping the truce. (Israel claims they killed a few soldiers but that seem to be a lie, they probably died from explosive that were already lying around).
So what did it gain them? Israels keeps murdering them. People are still starving in Gaza because Israel refuses to let food in.
> committing murder, rape and hostage taking
This is what Israel has been doing for decades. We just call the hostages prisoners.
While the Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could even when Gaza was starving, the bodies of the dead political prisoners Israel gave back were so mutilated from systemic torture that not even family members are able to recognize them.
As for the accusation of the resistance committing systemic rape, that is just racist propaganda. Same when they justified the lynching of black people in the US with saying they raped white women. We would have video evidence if something like that had happened.
The deal included remains of deceased hostages, most of which were not released at the agreed 48 hour point.
> they probably died from explosive that were already lying around
The source behind this theory seemed to be a tweet claiming "I’m told by a source familiar", and another tweet which was explicitly speculating ("most likely due to an explosive device ..."). No evidence was offered.
> While the Palestinians have treated their hostages as well as they could even when Gaza was starving
A UN envoy found "clear and convincing information that some [hostages] have been subjected to various forms of conflict-related sexual violence including rape and sexualized torture and sexualized cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment".
Evyatar David also appeared to be the most severely malnourished adult in Gaza, while being forced to dig his own grave.
It's either a gross ignorance or gross deceit to compare those numbers to the amount of civilians who have been killed during the Palestinian genocide. A terrorist attack doesn't give you the right to ignore human rights.
The international criminal court has an arrest warrant for Netanyahu. He is a war criminal. Get your facts straight.
You're not going to justify colonial genocide with whataboutism. It wasn't OK when the US did it and then called natives savages as a defense for our inhuman treatment of them, and it's not OK now that Israel is doing it. No amount of whining about Hamas will change that, especially considering Netanyahu openly funded Hamas through Qatar. You act like this conflict hasn't been perpetuated for decades. It's manufactured consent, plain and simple.
Hamas' actions are easily condemnable and doesn't need a mention, the only people who can't seem to understand that are the same people who seem to have a problem condemning Israel's actions. It is extremely easy to condemn both of them at once, if you start from an ethical, secular foundation.
Lol. This same mentality is professed by those you wish to condemn. You reveal yourself to be no better than the monsters you seek to destroy. You're willing to kill civilian women and children and men in order to do it.
You're willing to blame a people for the actions of a terrorist government that Israel/Netanyahu themselves propped up, something you didn't even bother to deny.
You're an absolute joke. Your consent is manufactured, and you're so lazy and brainwashed that you don't even care that you're a pawn.
Israel has zero justification for its colonial occupation. Colonial occupation is unjustifiable. I don't care what cult religious "right" Israel thinks it has that allows it to occupy and genocide a group of people, and then dare to call those people the violent savages.
America did the same thing. It was called Manifest Destiny. Americans were convinced they had a God-given right to subjugate, colonize and genocide the native American people.
How do I know my understanding of the situation isn't manufactured? I have the capability to research history and have independent thoughts. Your attempt to patronize and belittle me is a poor stand-in for an actual rebuttal. All you've offered me is , "b-b-buT WhAT iF uR WrONg?".
I also don't know what you're talking about "fatherless homes", I was indeed raised without a father and still seem to be a much better representative of what it means to be a man than someone who justifies the mass killing of innocent women and children over a manufactured terrorist strike. You speak from a place of privilege and ignorance. You should be ashamed of yourself.
I don’t know what you think it’s trying to say, but I will admit that my own ideological bent probably makes it read a lot differently to you.
I have a half-non-serious idea that these small scale wars (compared to WWI / II) that pop up around the world from time to time occur to maintain at least some state of force-readiness and to make use of ordnance with a limited shelf life. Everything else is just a ruse, and people like you and myself are unwittingly divided over meaningless conflict in far off lands, and would probably get along really well as colleagues or friends.
Thanks for continuing the conversation and not getting triggered by my probably immature responses. I do think Jesse Lee Peterson does have a point though.
> I have a half-non-serious idea that these small scale wars (compared to WWI / II) that pop up around the world from time to time occur to maintain at least some state of force-readiness and to make use of ordnance with a limited shelf life.
That's a key pillar of the Western Military–industrial complex.
> Everything else is just a ruse, and people like you and myself are unwittingly divided over meaningless conflict in far off lands, and would probably get along really well as colleagues or friends.
Sometimes, but energy/resource wars are real. Wars and regime changes to get access to specific resources or ensure labor/resources stay dirt cheap for first-world countries at the expensive of meager to destitute quality of life for those living in such areas, producing the goods we consume. The neoliberal imperial economic machine.
A good current example is the situation in Venezuela, where Trump is suddenly pretending to care about the quality of life of their citizens, and lying about the volume of drugs produced there, when the real story is the gigantic oil deposits that Trump's benefactors want to regain access to.
The other problem is that innocent people have died, and at scale, and the checks and bombs are signed by the US. It's not even just Palestine. There was Cablegate, if you remember, the infamous helicopter video, public documentation of the way that civilians are treated in these proxy wars.
Just in the last month, in Darfur, we've seen so much bloodshed that you could see pools of blood and dead bodies from orbiting satellites. An amount of people rivaling entire body count of the number of people killed since the recent Israeli invasion of Palestine, killed in less than a week, slaughtered like pigs... and various Western governments have their fingers all over this war, too, funding and arming factions both directly and indirectly.
And Netanyahu is no different here. He knew exactly what would happen. We'd all watched what happened when the US funded rebel groups that ended up seeding what became Al-Qaeda, our refusal to address real concerns levied by the group, to ignore increasing threats of action draw attention to the international crimes of the US. Then, even when faced with evidence that something like 9/11 was likely to occur, we just continued business as usual and let it happen, immediately pulled out the Patiot Act, which was promoted by Bush but based on earlier legislation penned by Biden himself, because one should never waste a good tragedy. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/andrewkaczynski/surveil...
Then we invaded the Middle East and for what? Oil. It took 25 years for us to disengage, and the Taliban took over Afghanistan once we left, so we've only increased the level of fascist governance in the world.
Netanyahu's war is a mockery of human life, and there is a reason the International Criminal Court has a warrant for his arrest, and why the Imperial US continues to cover for him.
> Thanks for continuing the conversation and not getting triggered by my probably immature responses. I do think Jesse Lee Peterson does have a point though.
I don't know much of him except that he's a religious zealot white nationalist conservative, what point do you refer to? Was it something he said about Palestine, or about conflict?
Soldiers of 'a government' committing murder, rape and hostage taking on a music festival is going to earn you a bit of looking away to the consequences.
I don't expect them to do nothing, I expect them to come to a deal not sacrifice everything in an eternal and vain attempt to remove Israel from the map.