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Denmark has a month and a half as EU presidency to go. I still don't get why they want this to be their legacy so badly.


Denmark mostly has authoritative politicians in government. Pragmatic and without ideology. The misguided tools believe they are doing us all a big favor.

They handwavingly dismiss all privacy-related criticism with “well our experts say something else!” and insist there are no privacy issues - but at the same time require exemption for their own caste.


The EU and European parliaments are very much on the technocracy side, where they defer to experts and studies for everything instead of focusing on the popular interests of the public

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy


I would not categorize Denmark as particularly technocratic, on the contrary. Many politicians here go against science and research because “I simply disagree”.

Populism largely runs Denmark.


Look at America to see what happens when things are decided based on the popular interests vs actual data and expertise.


One does not take out the other, balance is always the best.


I agree; that's just not the impression I got from GP.


Denmark is a strange nation with regards to liberty and personal belongings:

https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/4963/Denmark:-Exemptin...


This was done to appease the racist voters, who are unfortunately a relatively big factor here.

The law was installed in 2016, (colloquially called “Smykkeloven”/The Jewelry Law) after Syrian refugees walked up through Europe and Denmark, and a myth arose about super rich refugees with bags full of gold.. in 2022 this law had been used in 17 instances.

I cannot roll my eyes enough at the policians here.


Denmark is pretty famous for the fact that people consider themselves pretty centrist and moderate, while the policies they implement, each analyzed separately, are the most leftist of all the EU on all modern topics (ie not classical communism of course - just climate change, women, immigration etc). But when you’re surrounded with likeminded people and little diversity of the press, it sounds logical.


I respectfully disagree that Denmark is left-leaning wrt. immigration. 20-30 years ago that was true, today not at all.

From https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cm2lknr2d3go.amp

“UK seeks Danish inspiration to shake up immigration system”

“Shabana Mahmood will model some of her new measures on the Danish system - seen as one of the toughest in Europe.”


There are monied interests and special interest groups behind it. No matter who is at the head, it will continue to be pushed by these interests.

Europol, Julie Cordua (CEO of Thorn), Cathal Delaney, former Europol who now is on Thorn's board, Alan Parker, billionaire and founder of the Oak Foundation that's been bankrolling the fake charities lobbying for chat control, Chris Cohn, another billionaire and hedge fund manager who has been funding anti-encryption lobbying in both the US and the EU, Sarah Gardner, former Thorn employee and part of the network of fake charities lobbying to ban encryption. SHe also focuses on lobbying in the US as well, and Maciej Szpunnar, Polish Advocate General and the European court of justice, wants to use chat control for prosecuting copyright infringement.

And don't forget Peter Hummelgaard: "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communite on encrypted messaging services."

So you have a few billionaires running lobbying organizations disguised as fake "for the children" charities that operate in both the EU and the US, Europol, and a group of powerful people that are fundamentally opposed to privacy.


Adding to that from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(organization):

> Thorn works with a group of technology partners who serve the organization as members of the Technology Task Force. The goal of the program includes developing technological barriers and initiatives to ensure the safety of children online and deter sexual predators on the Internet.

> Various corporate members of the task force include Facebook, Google, Irdeto, Microsoft, Mozilla, Palantir, Salesforce Foundation, Symantec, and Twitter.

Apparently Thorn scratched that list from their current website, but the Wiki page has an archive link.


Worth noting that Thorn also makes scanning software and would stand to profit greatly from chat control.

As with all these types of legislation, always follow the money.


Genuine question: is that Denmark reintroducing this proposal? It's not clear when it's mentioned "the EU commission's revised proposal..." - and second question, if it's "Denmark", who from Denmark has the authority to do so? Any elected Danish member from the EU council?


Denmark holds the EU Presidency. That means they chair the Council of the EU, set the agenda, organize meetings, and drive forward legislative work in that period.


EU council works like US senate worked before senators were elected. So the right answer for who is Danish PM.

Not to be confused with EU parliament which is elected by popular vote and EU comission, which is the executive branch of EU and us voted in by Parliament


Presumably someone is paying really well to push this over and over again.




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