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> Mr Capel said: “We have been clear that exiting the UK does not allow an organisation to avoid responsibility for any prior infringement of data protection law, and our investigation remains ongoing.

Block UK access now just in case.



As somebody from the UK, I think this is a great form of protest against the government.


Same - frankly google/alphabet should just HTTP 451 the UK (and I say that as a brit/someone in the UK).

It'd be interesting to see how fast the policy would get reversed then.

This was always a stupid policy and so protesting it by pulling services is one way to draw attention to that.


If big tech wants a reaction, pull all investment out of the UK.

Microsoft + Google + Amazon + Nvidia + Meta + Apple = $630 billion in annual operating income.

They'll react to a change in capital investment faster than anything else.


The end game of these rules seems to be that it's impossible for small forums to cope, so content gets centralised on big tech. I would be surprised if they don't support this.


> pull all investment out of the UK.

Wow I didn't know big tech invested so much in the UK!


"Investment" here seems to be operations and personnel, resulting in taxes going to the UK government.

They aren't making $630 billion per year in money off of those companies, but the operating income means they're getting taxes on that $630 billion (income tax from company and employees, VAT for purchases, etc.) and the personnel working in the UK are probably spending most of that money in the UK (velocity of money theory comes into play here).

The resulting economic benefit for the UK government is enough that they'd notice the drop if all that started to transition away.


The UK government is currently gas lighting the public into ignoring 60k+ in quarterly job losses and is historically unpopular. Despite that it is railroading orwellian attacks against rights and freedoms of the citizenry, all of which without a mandate. This is a kamikaze government of austerity-obsessed foreign agent traitors. The only thing they would be upset about in your scenario is about the inconvenience it would cause those trillion dollar American companies.


I'm sure the UK would cope. They did ok without them less than 30 years ago.

Damage to stock value would be the bigger blocker (from both sides of the pond).

Might kickstart some actual competition though, as that happening would create a large hole to fill.


The world was a very different place 30 years ago.


> should just HTTP 451 the UK

Didn't something like that happen about 15 years ago maybe due to net neutrality? Or maybe it was wikipedia's black outs over SOPA.


I do worry that the ability of people to understand that there is more than one law that affects internet services.

the first clue is that its the ICO that is running this. the ICO has nothing to do with the online safety act.

Secondly asking a commercial company to conform to basic data protection isn't that onerous.

Honestly its almost like HN has tumbler level reading comprehension.


Yeah this is where i am getting mixed up because the article isn't saying what the cause was. I thought it was related to the digital id thing that every site need to make sure they check for minors..


How about officially starting one on HN? If we could gather a list of sites to join.


Wait you're against GDPR?


Of course, I have a brain


I think GDPR absolutely makes sense. It's my data and you must delete it if I ask.


The GPDR is far more complicated than just that superficial example.

But I'm curious about how far you feel that assertion goes. Ignoring what the GPDR says exactly, how do you feel about the various examples?

I have http request logs from requests that you've made. Do I have to delete them when you ask?

You sent me an email, do I have to delete my copy?

I host an email service for me and a friend exclusively, you request that I delete your data, do I have to delete emails you sent to him as well?

You answered a long thread about an esoteric computing question, hypothetically under the name denvercoder9, do I have to delete that comment? What about the replies to it which quote you?

I have evidence that you committed a crime of some sort, do I have to delete that?

Someone else posted true information about you to my site intended to categorize comments to HN posts. It's someone else data about you, do I have to delete that when you ask?

What if the information is actually false?

Where should the line be drawn, and why?


You questions, which are entirely valid, are why decent legal education is vital

Common law has the concept of reasonableness.

If you're a single person hosting a simple website, having logs is perfectly reasonable thing to have to check for fraud and other nefarious things.

> You sent me an email, do I have to delete my copy?

Depends who hosts the email server, and is it commercial. Buisnesses need a purpose for holding onto emails, its not reasonable for a non business single person to have one.

> You answered a long thread about an esoteric computing question, hypothetically under the name denvercoder9, do I have to delete that comment? What about the replies to it which quote you?

Thats actually interesting, the only thing that PII is the name, so if the name is deleted thats complying.

> I have evidence that you committed a crime of some sort, do I have to delete that?

There is a specific carve out for criminality.


In most cases it's not your data, really, you didn't produce any of it. But it's data about you.


The only real information about me is data I produced myself.

Anything else is just an observation and isn't neccesarily true at all.


GDPR is about protecting information that can be used to identify people.

> The only real information about me is data I produced myself.

Thats copyright law, which is whole 'nother kettle of fish. Its also one I don't know that well


you generated it? It should be trivial for you to delete it then

Oh what's that, you actually just want to control other people's data?


Ok so there are three things here

One, the thing you "generate" ie typed out by hand, rather than got a machine to make, is copyright.

Data about you is GDPR

> Oh what's that, you actually just want to control other people's data?

sounds like a projection...


It's clear to me, it's a huge risk for any company to allow access to UK visitors at this stage. All companies should be blocking all UK visitors. It's just too much risk for them to take.

The fault is obviously an incompetent and authoritarian UK government, but that's what the UK overlords have agreed.


It's not specific to the UK: many developed countries are cracking down on Internet businesses. There's going to be an awful lot of regulation, and it will be incompatible between different countries. The one-model-fits-the-whole-world style of business is over: you're going to be confined to national borders again.

The opinion polls are clear: the normies want this.


> The opinion polls are clear: the normies want this.

Giving normies the vote was a mistake.


So only snobby elitists get to vote?


yeah damn, i guess that's it.

That's the dichotomy. You're either an elitist snobs or a normies. No nuance, no qualification.


I know; we should make being able to vote contingent on understanding the word "nuance". There; now you have the best of both worlds ;)


Calling people “normies” is elitist and snobish, so there is a dichotomy.


Allowing the media to be controlled by government interests, which the normies follow blindly as thinking is hard, was the bigger mistake.

Opinion polls are bullshit and just an indicator of propaganda effectiveness.


I left this reply on a sibling thread.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45432347

The often cited YouGov polling, I think sampled a few thousand people. There are almost 2.5 million signatures on petitions between the OSA and Digital ID.


Found Moldbug's alt


Where do you get your conclusion from?


If you mean the opinion polls, I don't have any to hand, but there have been a few articles submitted to /r/ukpolitics since the Online Safety Act took effect detailing opinion polls showing that the UK Government's regulation of internet content has been well-received by the wider public (although the userbase of that subreddit has vociferously disagreed).


You are probably talking about the YouGov poll. The poll asked a clearly leading question IMO.

You can get any result you want by asking leading questions on polling. This was of course satirised by Yes Minister.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0ZZJXw4MTA

I can counter any of the iffy polls by simple point to the official online petitions service. There were a huge number of signatures to revoke OSA and two million signatures to abolish the plans for the Digital ID. While the Digital ID is technically a separate issue, many of the same privacy concerns are present.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/722903?pubDate=2025...

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

The number of people that signed these petitions is far more representative than any polling.

On top of that, recently I've seen reportrs of both the Liberal Democrats and Reform (the two largest parties after the main two) recongising the OSA as unpopular and are likely to suggest reforming/removing it.

On top of that. The labour government and the conservative government that proceeded it which created the OSA were/are both deeply unpopular.

So any notion that there is a popular mandate for this is nonsense.


The Bristol young lib dems oppose it, but the parliamentary party doesn't think it goes far enough. The Bristol lot are great, I talked to them about it, but they're unlikely to change things on the national level.


That is unfortunate to hear. I don't really care for any of the political parties in the UK and tell them exactly what I think of them when they knock on my door.

I wouldn't trust them in young LibDems in Bristol either. Doesn't matter if they seem nice or not. Lots of young politicians have nice ideas and over time they either end up as bad as the ones they are replacing, they are forced out or leave of their own accord and then complain about it on a podcast.


shouldn't it be the other way round? if the UK doesn't like something a non-UK company is doing it should be them that go through the trouble of blocking it.

If I have a website I'm pretty sure I'm bound to break some random country's law without knowing

Answering my own question, I guess it's exceptionalism of the powerful countries where they can just bully you into following their law


> shouldn't it be the other way round? if the UK doesn't like something a non-UK company is doing it should be them that go through the trouble of blocking it.

They're clearly working up to this; it's what happened with Pirate Bay, etc.


They don't want (correctly) unfavorable comparisons to China's "Great Firewall" made, which most Western governments have lambasted in the past, so there's a PR/Politics side of it too.


Why should they do anything when they can push the burden of compliance onto you?


It would be much better to not block them rather serve them a single screen that explains why the rest of the site is unavailable to them citing the specific laws that make the action necessary


Now:

> {"data":{"error":"Content not available in your region."},"success":false,"status":400}



I find it interesting that there was no mention of Fahrenheit 451, the very reason they picked that number.

They did at least put a thanks to Ray Bradbury.


Seems like they were trying to keep the reference low key, maybe to increase the odds of its acceptance


Same rule applies to any use of 42.



Should it be a client error "vote differently" or a server error "this server is not licking the boot" ;)


It’s hilarious that imgur is still returning JSON errors even when connecting with a browser. I guess their dev team have never heard of the Accept header.

(My residential IP is blacklisted for some reason and I always get a JSON error message from them)


So GDPR, which protects people from companies abusing personal data (which this case is about, not the online safety act) should be repealed?

(no, its not the cookie law either.)


No because GDPR is better implemented and there are clear and reasonable guidelines to follow. This is just clueless policy makers fucking around.


The ICO are there it enforce GDPR, and other data protections.

They are a quango, rather than policy makers

Again they are not OFCOM, and they didn't make OSA, thats very much down to the previous tory government


It is exactly the same with the EU's GDPR, by the way...

That's the funny or hypocritical thing: Both laws have the same reach but people here tend to praise the GDPR for it while being furious about the Online Safety Act.




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