It's a cultural rift. I also built a house with no code inspections, no building plans, and no trade licensing. Which seems to scare the shit out of a large segment of commenters on HN, meanwhile living in a place where that is actually allowed has enabled me to have neighbors who think alike, since these kind of neighborhoods scare the ever living shit out of the collectivist authoritarian types.

It's really hard for me to put into words the cultural rift, but it's almost like aliens colliding, the only solution I have found is to live in a different world and try to tread carefully away from theirs. By identifying a few topics like "is it wrong to exist in remote undeveloped public forest without a permit" I can immediately identify the sort of people I have irreconcilable differences with.

We can believe in and experience different societies while ultimately participating in the meta society. In this way, it’s less a rift.

Sure, ultimately i learned meta society is a scam, being lectured about environmental responsibility by the same people that use their precious rule of law for vast destruction of wilderness area wildlife migration by building massive hundred+ mile border walls that let nothing bigger than a few inches through.

It was never a serious position, and all the raging about i.e. above poster paranoid about pronghorn movement while apparently being oblivious people were likely legally hunting the damn things in the wilderness areas they're thinking of, since the law apparently allows killing them but not a .00001% chance you spook one inadvertently into moving into a wolfs mouth. I cannot even begin to get on the level of someone like that,they may as well be aliens to me the rift is so severe.

That's awesome and hits it exactly on the head. Notice how not one comment addresses the liberty comment I made. The meme "touch grass" could never be more relevant here. I'm sure the backpacker learned a lot about the world and humans in that exchange with the ranger.