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Seems like an odd move to just delete it. Is it any less worthy of being tracked because it's man made? Wouldn't adding it to the database at least reduce the chance of the same mistake being made again by other astronomers?

Isn't this, like other space junk in such orbits, effectively an "anthropogenic asteroid"? Why not just add them in with a special tag or naming convention to indicate that they're man-made?



It is being tracked under the correct designation “2018-017A”, therefore they are deleting an erroneous report that was temporarily assigned the designation that was deleted. What makes you think they “stopped tracking” it?


The headline says "delete" not "correct" or "replace". Blame clickbait.


Agreed, if the title were "Astronomers reclassified asteroid..." there's barely any reason to click on it.


The headline correctly says they deleted an asteroid because it wasn’t an asteroid.

That says nothing about whether or not they continued tracking the object as “not an asteroid”.


Neither of your suggestions are accurate. The headline is accurate.


Given overwhelming recent experience, I highly doubt it. I think I didn’t have gray hair the last time a title was more accurate than the story.


It's not that the headline is "more accurate" than the story, it's that the headline is accurate and reflects the content of the article. If you look at the second paragraph of the article, as well as the source it provides[0], they all agree the "asteroid" was deleted from records: "EDITORIAL NOTICE: DELETION OF 2018 CN41". It was not reclassified or corrected, it was deleted, because it was not an asteroid and so does not belong in the list of designated asteroids. It just also happens to already be tracked elsewhere.

[0] https://minorplanetcenter.net/mpec/K25/K25A49.html


I'll bite, that sounds like a correction to me.


Maybe in the broadest sense, but it's certainly not more accurate to say that. If I hold a fiction writing competition, and you submit a piece of non-fiction that I throw in a paper shredder, I think most would agree that I would be misleading if I said I "corrected" your writing. "Deleted" would be a better description, regardless of whether the same work had been submitted elsewhere before.


OK. But it seems like something is amiss if this error keeps being made. Why didn't the reporting astronomer, or anyone who presumably checked the submission, find the 2018-017A object when searching for it in their database?


Because their software, sat_id can only search Earth-orbiting satellites:

> Payne noted that when the Tesla Roadster was originally launched in 2018, the community caught it and flagged it as an artificial object, and the MPC “correctly labeled it as such without assigning a minor planet designation.”

But when subsequent observations were archived by the MPC and later identified by G., sat_id failed to locate the Roadster, said Payne. And the object was not caught upon further review because unlike most satellites, it orbits the Sun and not Earth. In addition, it is an unusual Sun-centric orbit for a spacecraft. Because it was a test flight for the Falcon Heavy, there was no destination in particular; that is why its trajectory originates near Earth but overshoots Mars’ orbit, as G. noted.

As the article mentioned, there is no such thing as space-track.org or celestrak.org where anyone can get trajectories for all deep space spacecraft. The closest thing we have is JPL Horizons, so they're working with them:

> Payne agreed that a central repository, “regularly updated by national and private space agencies, would significantly enhance the identification process.” Currently, he said, the MPC is collaborating with JPL on a system to better detect artificial objects that aren’t in Earth orbit and filter them out of the MPC’s observational database.


> As the article mentioned, there is no such thing as space-track.org or celestrak.org where anyone can get trajectories for all deep space spacecraft. The closest thing we have is JPL Horizons, so they're working with them:

That seems like something that's worth fixing as more and more artificial objects get launched into deep space.


This should be an international effort, not just US! They will censor out their spy satellites, even if its accidentally taken by a sky survey telescope: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/when-a-telescope-i...

Then other countries can use this as an excuse to not go public with their spacecraft ephemerides (US didn't tell the world about all of their spacecrafts, so why should I do that?)


Sure - but they didn't even mention the US.


Damn right! I was actually surprised to learn there is no such thing yet; I'd expect some space agency would be hosting some frontend to a database collectively maintained by various space agencies and adjacent organizations.

Nevertheless, great to see they're working on it now!


Yeah, there have also been some other odd historical objects like [https://www.astronomy.com/space-exploration/how-a-long-gone-...]

In that case they figured out what it was when a spectrograph of the surface light showed it was - painted! Hah.


> In that case they figured out what it was when a spectrograph of the surface light showed it was - painted! Hah.

Good they caught it now, though I figured all the paint has long been eaten away by UV rays.


In some of the other cases listed in the article such as 1966-084B (2020 SO) the position was unknown until they found it and as such no central database could have helped them, but it's unclear why Horizons would not help with the Roadster given they could query it with the observed position.


It's being tracked, but not by the "Minor Planet Center".


Hopefully it still is being tracked by them, otherwise when someone reports it tomorrow they'll have no idea what it is and will need to go through this song and dance again.

It's just not being published on a certain curated list by the MPC.


By who? They say there doesn't exist a database tracking things like this:

>“This incident, along with previous NEOCP postings of the WMAP spacecraft, highlights the deplorable state of availability of positional information on distant artificial objects,” the MPC fumed when it retracted 2007 VN84. “A single source for information on all distant artificial objects would be very desirable.”


The ID they use is from a US government database: https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/spacecraft/display.action?id...

I'm not sure if it was the lack of trajectories or the unusual orbit which caused the automation issue at MPC.


> The Minor Planet Electronic Circulars contain information on unusual minor planets, routine data on comets and natural satellites, and occasional editorial announcements.

I assume it's being tracked elsewhere. But not here.


too late, deleted forever


Just like when you delete that tweet


You should probably read the article first before you make assumptive comments like this.




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