If you're quick to judge someone's character based on their tattoos, it suggests a tendency toward superficial assessments. I find it difficult to trust critical decisions made by someone who relies on such surface-level judgments. In my experience, those with narrow, dogmatic worldviews are often less interested in finding real solutions and more preoccupied with adhering to authority and bureaucratic norms.
Even if what you’re saying is true, you have no way of telling what someone thinks of tattoos. People who think tattoos show low impulse control can tell immediately. So, technically speaking, only one opinion matters in regards to hiring, which is probably why you see so few tattoos in high paid engineering jobs
> you have no way of telling what someone thinks of tattoos.
Disgust is one of the most easily telegraphed human reactions. Also, haters with suboptimal impulse control can't avoid using any and every soapbox at their disposal to make sure you know where they stand on the matter.
Is the organizational pressure that seeks conformity filtering out tattoos based on tattoos or the lack of conformity? It's tough to understand whether you're saying more about self-perpetuating hierarchies or tattoos.
I'm aligned with your base point. I'm not seeking to extend my rational to anyone other than people who make their opinions well known.
actually i think the organizational pressure is not about what people in the company think about those with a tattoo, but what they think how it will make their company look in public. to customers, business partners, investors, etc.
You do know that a transparent tattoo doesn't mean 100% transparency, right?
A transparent tattoo has parts inside of it where the skin is still completely visible or the skin is partially visible.
A solid tattoo blocks out your natural skin color entirely and is generally associated with criminal gangs such as the Japanese Yakuza or tattoo addictions.
It's unfortunate that it's not better regulated and thus safe to yolo just get one, but glow in the dark tattoos that use ink that can't be seen in ordinary light are particularly cool.
I used to think this way, but I no longer feel the signal to noise ratio provides meaningful data, in particular because people do rash or unreasoned things and develop odd habits (that they later grow out of) in their 20s. That part of your adult life is about learning, after all. (I also don’t believe there isn’t anything intrinsically wrong with tattoos.)
Moreover, having a tattoo isn’t necessarily a measure of low impulse control. I have friends who have ruminated for years about a certain tattoo. Plus, imputing bad decision making to having a tattoo is more a (cultural) projection on your part than anything else.
Bad or good decisions are always subjective to the goals and context, so of course I'm projecting my opinion when commenting on a comment section with my opinion. I do think less of someone with tattoos than someone without, and I've tried often not to, and have many friends with tattoos and would never ever say anything to anyone to make them feel bad about it. But my brain judges.
If you don't see a difference in a thought process in your head that you can meta talk about online vs going to someone and telling them they are less-than or to put them down in another way like not hiring them or something I'm not sure what to say. One is a thought process and a description of it, the other is an offense or something illegal.
I find them a good litmus test for narrow minded, presumptuous, low empathy people who invent narratives to suit their predetermined world view and run with it.
Lots of people I know with tattoos are the exact opposite of what you decide. Elaborately planned with loads of personal details, taking multiple sessions to complete.
My partner also has tattoos. I think people online pretend to be better than they are for some reason. I'm willing to bet every single offended person that is pointing the finger at the bad man that judges tattoos equally judges other meaningless things. At least I'm aware of it and try to keep it to myself and re-evaluate it every once in a while, instead of pretending I never have a bad thought.
Online discussion isn't the real world. I'm sharing thoughts in the spirit of positive discussion and didn't offend anyone.
Me thinking someone has low impulse control isn't an offense. Me telling them they have low impulse control is an offense (i never said this to anyone). Me being honest about the thought that came into my mind in a discussion board is also not an offense. And I cannot control the thoughts that come to my mind, only my actions after. If anything I learned to keep my mouth shut from this thread, it's the first and last time I discuss tattoos.
I get what you're saying. sadly the Internet is no longer the place it once was. People are just looking for ways to get offended and go off and try and cancel people. thinking things isn't doing things. thinking evil thoughts but not acting on them is entirely fine and normal and human.
people have four levels of being, there's conscious you, lizard brain, addict brain, and ideal brain. lizard brain gets the most time. it's the baser sider of things that we can't help, like who we're attracted to (masc/femme/nb) or what we think of people with tattoos. Then there's conscious brain. that's the part of us that's rational and can recognize that lizard brain does and thinks dumb things. addict brain is where there's something you're addicted to. chemical/digital/physical; whatever. addict brain will rationalize that something that conscious brain knows is wrong into being okay. Oh it's just $10 dollars and it's only Candy crush. idea brain is who you are after an interaction has happened, when you win the argument in the shower or wake up knowing the solution to a problem. sometimes idea brain will happen in the moment, but most of the time it happens later.
anyway, we can't help lizard brain, especially when we're sleep deprived, high/drunk/groggy/strongly emotional, and it can say some horrible shit. some people are able to acknowledge that this happens to everyone and exists and is human and forgive other people when they do something, others pretend like that they're not like that and that it never happens to them.
This is the divide between introvert and extrovert, btw. introverts can't "mask off" around other people, so being around other people is exhausting for them. if they say they don't belive something but that this thought still happens, eg that people with tattoos are impulsive, they get excoriated for voicing having had the thought.
sadly, as you've found, the open Internet just isn't the place for that. thankfully, there are small private communities where people do understand such detail and nuance, but they're hard to find.
cards on the table though, my current tattoo wasn't the result of much planning, but having gotten one, I more respect the time and effort that goes into getting really good ones.
on my wish list is the https://imprintu.com/ temporary tattoo printer, which seems fun.
So the thoughtful ink memorializing fallen comrades advertises a bad decision. AWESOME! I have zero desire to associate with closeminded individuals who view diversity as something to judge.
None of my tattoos have been "impulse". Planned months or years in advanced, hell I have a large tattoo project that I commissioned the piece for back in 2020 and finally starting the discussion about actually starting the tattoo.
I have several other tattoos that I have been thinking about for years. I have mapped out at least a general guide of where the tattoos I plan on getting, likely over at least the next 10 years on my body.
Tattoos are expensive. Most are not going to impulse something that expensive.
Thankfully most people have some common sense and realize that tattoos are just another way of expressing who you are and not trying to force uniformity. There are still some weird views about "acceptable" tattoo locations but thats another story.
I won't even hide my tattoo's for an interview, if you have a problem with it thats your problem and I don't care to work with you.
I don't know. I mean I am still eventually going to get the tattoos, the meaning of all of the tattoos I want are important to me. So technically no the plan hasn't changed and I am actively talking to an artist about my next tattoo. But what exactly to do about this situation... I honestly don't know yet.
I don't even know how I would vet the ink. Just asking if they got it from Amazon sure, but I have to imagine that this is not limited to Amazon and we only learned about it due to scale.
I really don't mean to offend and I'm just thinking out loud here, but I really don't understand this mentality.
As for most things, there are probably infinite reasons why someone gets tattoos. It seems highly presumptuous, almost egotistical, to presume you somehow know the reasons. You yourself don't know the reasons for why you do things, because choice is complex. You make millions of subconscious choices daily and those choices feed other choices. And then a lot of it was simply fed to you, implemented into your brain and you never bothered to circle back and question it.
I mean, just ask someone why they believe what they believe. Not what their belief is, but WHY they believe it. Most of the time they don't know. They can't tell you. And it's THEIR beliefs that they, supposedly, formed. They own them. But you think you can understand other, random people's, motivation?
I think there's this widespread, I guess, "deficiency" where people can't say "I don't know". It's like the LLMs. They can't look at something, say "I don't know" or "I don't understand" and move on. And you can see this in so, so many things.
Someone the other day asked why gay voice exists and why that's a thing. Truly, I don't know and I don't know that anyone does, even gay men. But of course this other guy chimes in about how they fake it and it's for attention. How could he possibly know that? How did he even come to that conclusion? Why do people do this?
The number of comments from people who need their choices validated by a random person on the internet under posts like this invariable proves to me that even they know that this is true and it makes them upset. Classic is/ought situation.
