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The problem is, even lockdowns weren't lockdowns.

There were endless people who had to work, just to keep water, power, food flowing. And those people needed transportation.

And past 2 weeks, transportation means parts for vehicles, maintenance, gas, oil, and food means transportation and food processors and....

It was a good idea at the time, but doomed to fail.



Where I come from, “good ideas doomed to fail” are called “bad ideas”


I recall clearly, at the time, the first two weeks of lockdown. No one, anywhere, had a clue wtf was going on, except that some new virus was spreading like wildfire, that it spread before symptoms appeared, and it seemed like Italy had a crazy high death rate.

Blaming people with the knowledge of hindsight is just plain wrong.

Later lockdowns? Now that's a different conversation.


Quebecs lockdowns continued for 2 years and were far more draconian than the rest of North America.

As far as I understand this was mostly a factor of our public hospital systems being absolutely over capacity and the government doing whatever it could to keep up.

Needless to say I’ve since moved away to a region with a more functional health care system and that allows families to gather together as desired.


Yea, by october when the "maybe we shouldn't do a lockdown any more" talk was 6+ months in, it feels like it's clearly in the "there's a case to be made" zone.


Yeah, before we had any idea what we were dealing with anything but a lockdown would have been madness.


Agreed. There's a lot of animals that can catch and spread covid [0]:

> many if not most mammalian ACE-2 receptors are susceptible

> the virus has gone from humans to the animals and back again to human

> found signs of antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 in significant percentages of six urban wildlife species

> found signs of the pathogen infecting 17 percent of New York City sewer rats tested

> Exposure could also occur following interactions with pets such as cats and dogs

Lockdowns were never going to be able to eliminate the virus.

[0] https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/how-so-ma...


I'm not too worried about a random sick deer in the middle of some forest infecting a whole bunch of humans. The worry with animals is that they could mutate the virus into something much more nasty. Especially in factory farm settings where animals aren't properly cared for and are packed in like sardines while covered in shit and open sores, and where workers who are also treated terribly could end up getting exposed.

Lockdowns could do a lot to reduce spread and protect people from infection in large population centers, but certain areas are basically breeding grounds for disease and even before covid they were a risk for things like antibiotic resistant bacteria. Ignoring them was always going to be a problem.


I brought up covid in animals because the original poster mentioned the elimination of covid in the context of lockdowns.

The fact that covid can move between animal and human populations would seem to mean that lockdowns for the purpose of elimination will not work. Eventually humans would be reinfected from animals - mice, rats, pets, etc.

This has perhaps already happened. There is dna evidence that omicron evolved in mice and then jumped back into humans [0].

On the idea of lockdowns to eliminate the virus:

> The coronavirus’ ability to infect so many different animals, and to spread within some of those populations, is worrying news: It means there’s virtually no chance the world will ever be rid of this particularly destructive coronavirus, scientists said [1].

It would be a bummer to be locked down for months or years in an effort to eliminate the virus, and have to deal with the negative repercussions of lockdowns during and afterwards, only for everyone to become reinfected again from animals, and the whole thing start up again.

My apologies if I misunderstood your reply. You did seem to have a different angle than the original post. I just don't get it when people mention lockdowns to eliminate covid, when such a thing isn't possible.

I'm not sure what to say about your concern that animals can evolve a more dangerous virus. That seems like it can go either way. Animal evolved variants can also be less dangerous, like omicron, which is a good thing. Also locked down humans could be more vulnerable to more dangerous variants, their immune systems not having any prior exposure. How can anyone be so sure lockdowns always help?

[0] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/covid-19-did-omicr...

[1] https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2023-06-09/coronavirus...




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