You see, the rules of formal languages that encode formal rules of system constraints pre-date computers by centuries. Think of math proofs, for example. Sure, we can encode symbols as emojis, or geometric figures or whatever. But in the end, it's sequences of symbols, that's the nature of it. And tapping symbols one by one with a headset will suck, no matter how programming looks.
The rules of formal languages that encode formal rules of system constraints pre-date in fact our species too. Think about what DNA is. Oh yeah, spooky, isn't it. A sequence of symbols (GTCA) encoding a sequence of more complex symbols (proteins). Spooky! But yes, DNA is our code. And it works the same as our programming code.
Now I know where you're going. LLMs. Let's assume an LLM writes the code for you. You still have to read it, which you can do fine with a headset (if it's not as encapsulating and heavy, and with short battery life as Vision Pro v1). But if you spot something's off, you need to adjust it. Go directly for the kill, and make that surgical series of edits. You know? Or... maybe you can spend the rest of the day hopelessly trying to explain to Siri 2030 year edition what you want to do, instead of going in and doing it, for that "last mile".
Because if AI can do the last mile itself, to the point you don't need to even verify it... first, that's the fast way to AI shipping code we don't understand and basically giving up our entire civilization to it. And second... we don't need to code, but we also won't need to exist, and therefore not need headsets.
So in the worldlines where we DO exist... Vision Pro sucks for coding, because it's a shitty human interface to editing code.
And in the worldlines where we DO NOT exist... Vision Pro sucks for coding, because AI doesn't need headsets.
I realize yes. And do you realize if you'll be using keyboard and mouse you may as well not literally wear a computer *on your head*? Are you aware of displays? They can support themselves. On desks. Or wall mounts. Compared to Vision Pro it feels like magic. Self-supporting displays. It's the future. Everything is about to change when people learn about it.
And do you realize that’s by taking the displays off of your desk you can have more of them? Oh, at any size and any location you want. You can continue using the input devices you like but now have as many displays as you want and you can take it with you easily.
You assume you will hate it, maybe you will. But maybe the future won’t involve dedicated furniture to put things on and cables connecting them. Maybe you’ll be able to work wherever you want and with the same amount of productivity. Or maybe even better productivity!
But you’re probably right, the future will never get any better, this device is pointless and will never lead to better versions of itself or point to other ways of working. Thank you, there’s no telling where we might end up without true believers of the status quo like yourself.
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I admire the commitment to your opinions lol. Never really sure what motivates someone to tell the world what they aren't interested in using. My snark was aimed at highlighting the weirdness of how important you thought it was for us to know what you hate.
It's almost as though you're explaining why current and previous VR goggles haven't done very well. David Smith, among others, have had some experience with the device and are really excited. That excitement also includes several VR specific reporters.
I have yet to hear any complaints about screen sharpness. The most upvoted comment is from someone that worked on it and he also thinks the screen Rez isn't a problem. Foveated rendering is probably the reason it looks good. That same guy also said that the active cooling prevented it from getting hot on the face. We'll see how it works IRL.
Some have complained about the weight. I'm not all that concerned since this is the first version. I'm excited by the potential, especially since developers are excited about it.
You keep illustrating that you didn't view the keynote, or any of the followup videos and are just judging based on your priors.
Clearly you haven't seen the VP in person, or you wouldn't be making such assumptions. I'm not, I'm trusting people who have used the device in person, people who have said the text is very sharp and easy to read. People with much better credentials than a random on HN.
And if you had done even the most minimal research, you'd know that the VP has fans that eliminate heat build up and fogging.
But hey, you've repeated ad nauseam that you don't like the VP and think it won't succeed. Everyone's entitled to their own opinions, but not their own facts. You remind me of how ESR was continually predicting the failure of the iPhone until he went quiet on it a few years ago. Same circular reasoning about how it won't succeed because reasons... Yet the people who have seen and used the VP differ greatly with you.
Now the VP may not be for everyone, and some elements of Apple's marketing are a bit cringe, but people said the same thing about AirPods.
> But if you spot something's off, you need to adjust it. Go directly for the kill, and make that surgical series of edits.
LLMs are still a really immature technology.
The hype is about where it could go in future, not necessarily where it is now.
Think about when compilers were immature technology, and the science of parsing/etc and optimizations were not well understood. You could make the exact same argument you have made now about the need of editing assembly or machine code by hand when the compiler doesn't get it right.
It was indeed common practice to do this well into the 1980s. That, and inline assembly is increasingly unnecessary now.
None of what I said is restricted to the current state of LLMs. I was speaking very broadly about the nature of AI in our world, and going back to the creation of DNA...
I have a hunch that coding as we know it is going to look very different in ~5-10 years.