> The main issue: spamhaus block lists, they are hostile to all self-hosted people
Allow me to correct that for you.
There is nothing wrong with spamhaus. They provide one of the best anti-spam options amongst all the commercial providers.
Spamhaus have many lists, I suspect the one you are referring to is the PBL, in their words "DNSBL database of end-user IP address ranges which should not be delivering unauthenticated SMTP email to any Internet mail server except those provided for specifically by an ISP for that customer's use.".
We are in 2023, I think it is beyond any sort of doubt by now that a significant proportion of spam and phishing mails originates from home internet connections because people can't be bothered to keep their computers up to date and virus free, so they become part of a botnet.
So the fact of the matter is that even if Spamhaus PBL did not exist, someone else (or the MX operators themselves) would very soon fill their place by blocking the very same ranges.
Added to which, most home ISPs don't even provide reverse DNS ... so again, even if Spamhaus PBL did not exist, you would likely STILL find yourself being blocked by other measures that most sensible sysadmins implement on their servers.
Hell, many home ISPs just block outbound port 25 these days anyway !
Wrong, sys admin should use grey listing with a similar block lists.
Spamhaus provides a way to be removed from this list, but does not provide an IRC server, only an horrible web javascript only chat, they should fix that. Ofc, they provide an email to request removal from their block list... which is using their block lists.
Since spamhaus is "shadily" hidden in andore and switzerland, my lawyer cannot do much, but I guess I should go after the sys admins using without grey listing those block lists in EU/US but I haven't needed too yet, since there is most of the time either somebody with a smtp server not using blocklists (not even grey listing) or even an irc server.
From a technical point of view, and specific to my ISP in my country (did not check the other ISPs), putting all domestic ranges of my ISP in their block list is text book abusive... spamhaus is doing a really, really, bad job. But I keep that for court if I need too, I may go to EU regulatory orgs directly though, well only if I am pissed off enough (and that's very hard).
You're trying to argue sense with someone who thinks they can sue someone for greylisting, and is screeching about insecurities in GUI browsers and being "forced" to use an Apple or Google browser:
> "If you want to make spamhaus remove your IP from their block list, you must engage in a chat working only with google/apple javascript browsers (I am a noscript/basic (x)html user)."
Amazing that I've been on the internet for several decades and never once had my shit jacked (due to a modern GUI browser or otherwise.) The way people like grandparent commenter make it sound, the split second you use a modern browser, you'll be pwned...
Allow me to correct that for you.
There is nothing wrong with spamhaus. They provide one of the best anti-spam options amongst all the commercial providers.
Spamhaus have many lists, I suspect the one you are referring to is the PBL, in their words "DNSBL database of end-user IP address ranges which should not be delivering unauthenticated SMTP email to any Internet mail server except those provided for specifically by an ISP for that customer's use.".
We are in 2023, I think it is beyond any sort of doubt by now that a significant proportion of spam and phishing mails originates from home internet connections because people can't be bothered to keep their computers up to date and virus free, so they become part of a botnet.
So the fact of the matter is that even if Spamhaus PBL did not exist, someone else (or the MX operators themselves) would very soon fill their place by blocking the very same ranges.
Added to which, most home ISPs don't even provide reverse DNS ... so again, even if Spamhaus PBL did not exist, you would likely STILL find yourself being blocked by other measures that most sensible sysadmins implement on their servers.
Hell, many home ISPs just block outbound port 25 these days anyway !