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A decent example. The phrasing at the end as if the author is some kind of clever hacker who “broke the system” was kind of odd.


Really? That's how you read it?

Huh. That's not what I meant. What I meant was that the process was intended to flow through a particular sequence, and that I made it flow through a different and unintended sequence. In a sense I stopped it from working as it was intended, so in a sense I "broke" it.

I don't know how else to say that, and certainly I didn't intend to imply what you seem to have inferred.

Language is weird.

<fx: shrug />


It is because you as the author can't see how it looks from the outside. There is a smugness[1], and a characterization of the staff as cogs in a machine that you were able to manipulate like cogs in your experiment.

How did you "stop it from working"? You even admit "they didn't mind".

If anything, what you really showed is that your analogy, while interesting and amusing, has limited accuracy. The concept of a state machines is precisely that, about machines. Not humans. The human staff took notice of the unexpected flow, externally manifest their on-the-fly adaptive mental processing of it on their faces, and then adapted. The restaurant didn't devolve into chaos.

The staff didn't freeze and lie down on the floor like driverless cars are doing on the streets[2]. The fact that automation of anything complex and unpredictable as driving isn't built on anything even vaguely akin to a state machine is telling. That would lead to disaster.

In other words, you didn't break anything at all. It was your analogy that got broken.

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[1]: You display this smugness even in your reply, "Language is weird. <fx: shrug />". Just sayin. As an writer who posted his work on HN himself looking for feedback should humbly listen to negative reactions as much as if not more so than seek to bask in admiration and success.

[2]: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/28/technology/driverless-car...


I also felt the last part comes off as smug and also clickbait-y. Techie tries to prove that they're smarter than restaurant workers by 'breaking' their system.


Really?

That was never the intent. Seriously, I'm honestly find it hard (for which read impossible) to read it that way.

I'll re-think it.

I'm genuinely baffled, but if that's what you feel, I'm there will be others who that way too, so I'll see if I can express what I mean more clearly.

Edit: I've changed it somewhat, so the comments here are not necessarily relevant any more. Maybe it's no better ... don't know.


Your edited version is good. Conveys the feeling of the situation well without seeming smug at all


Thank you.


The sentence they are most likely talking about:

> It was apparent on the faces of the staff that this was most unexpected ... members of the public weren't supposed to know how the system worked ... how could I possibly have known ?!?

Implies that you know more (about the system) than the public. The problem is you are assuming you know why the waiters were shocked. You also don't need the last sentence, it's implied by the first two. Here's an alternative version:

> it seemed like the waiters were shocked. I'd wager that the general public wasn't supposed to know how the system worked


Editing something in the middle of a discussion about it seems counterproductive to me. Now that I have read this comment I am uncertain whether my own other comment makes sense.

At least leave the original in place but struck out.


Leaving the original in place but struck out is really hard on the platform I'm using. Possible, but non-trivial, and it seemed better simply to "fix" it for anyone reading it later. If it was mis-leading then I wanted to fix it. I do, by the way, agree that it might be a difference between cultures. Some things don't translate and come across differently.

For reference, at the end the original read:

It was apparent on the faces of the staff that this was most unexpected ... members of the public weren't supposed to know how the system worked ... how could I possibly have known ?!?

But it was a real-life example of a finite-state machine, beautifully designed, and extremely effective.

Until I did something unexpected, of course. But they didn't seem to mind too much.

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Edit: I wish people didn't down-vote you, I think your comment is perfectly reasonable.



Two different ways of thinking, English versus American, I suspect.

I read it as an expression of a sense of wonder.


My joke with the scripted humans is to rush the process: When they come to ask if everything is okay you answer the question before they ask it "everything is okay!" and hand them the table number. They usually find it amusing.


FWIW, I understood it as literally breaking (interrupting? halting?) a machine by mistake.


Why - you think it wasn't clever enough to be called clever hacking? :)




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