Same to no cheating - Only been playing a couple of years, lots of background.
All-Time Stats
Total Kittens 84.84K
Kittens Dead 5710
Total Years Played 18.33M
Run Number 98
Total Paragon 90.36K
Rare Events Observed 22.31M
Unicorns Sacrificed 4.20P
Buildings Constructed 553.38K
Total Clicks 712.37K
Trades Completed 2.32G
Crafting Times 501.64M
Avg. Kittens Born (Per Century) 0.46
Transcendence Tier 27
Challenges Completed 8
Java can perform well, and even with all the enterprizey bullshit, it still performs much better than your run of the mill, best practices follower javascript program.
Javascript actually can perform well, not nearly as well as java can, but it doesn't have to be as bad as what you see on most electron applications. But it's not trivial to make it so.
Yeah, I wasn't really thinking of performance. I was thinking of the dislike I have for working with Java. Past experiences with "enterprizey" Java is the worst. AbstractWidgetFactoryBuilderLoaderMaker, etc.
Well, all the discussion about Atom, all around we is about performance. Even when the people in the discussion don't actually notice this.
But I'd put javascript and java on the same cohort when talk about usability (programability?, what name do I use here?). They are not as bad to be dangerous, but neither is any good either. Anyway, the JVM allows some other languages that don't solve all the problems but bring you some expressivity (honestly, I have no idea if this is a positive), while electron can work with typescript (much better than javascript) and can run wasm (what currently implies on rust, what means low expressivity but high confidence on your code).
There was a time when I had an equal revulsion toward languages with a Lisp-like syntax. However, dissatisfaction with the limitations of most other programming languages, and the influence of a bunch of very smart and effective developers was enough to convince me to give them another look (and try to be open minded about it).
As countless others have said before me, the parens really do cease to be an issue over time (and not really very long of a time either). The power and flexibility gained by writing code in Lisp/Scheme/Clojure or other Lisp dialects really is worth the effort, in my opinion. I'm not saying there are no bumps in the road - there definitely are. However, I have zero regrets about taking the time to learn those languages. Even if I never write another line of code in any of them again, it will still have been worth the effort.
