I think you missed the point of the parent, which is that ~1/4 of the students are dead weight at the cost of the rest of the class. It isn't "misguided" if their experience is different than yours.
If your outcome is students that are more capable at languages but less capable in virtually every other subject, is the result really "more capable and prepared students"? I'm not opposed to bilingualism but you're lying to yourself if you think this comes at zero cost to at least some students.
for kids in early development, their skill level in all the other subjects later will be essentially determined by their linguistic ability. math is a language. there is research that shows benefit to bilingual programs, but there has to more structure than just dumping esl kids in there with everyone else.
Of course it does. You have a naive view of wages. You do not increase minimum wages and not have wage compression elsewhere in the workforce.
Increasing the minimum wage has the most dramatic impact on increasing the demand for goods because it impacts so many people. Increasing the maximum wage has little if any impact on broader demand for goods because it impacts so few. Unless your supply chain can keep up with the demand surge through raised wages, you will see inflation, which is our situation today.
You might naively assume the solution is to introduce price controls but the general outcome of that is the economy shifting transactions to barter-based, black markets, and non-denominated currency exchange, which causes more economic upheaval as GPD and tax revenues drop. There are many examples of this in the last 100 years, Venezuela being a recent one.
Thank you for the additional details, and that helps my understanding. That the key quantity to keep constant is the total demand, not merely the total distribution. Therefore, when working to reduce wealth disparities, an increase in the minimum wage must be coupled with a greater-than-proportional decrease in the maximum wage in order to avoid negative side effects.
> A reminder to us that psychopaths are running the world economy.
Labeling Powell/the Fed as a psychopath simply because they're turning one of the very few if not only inflation control knobs they have seems extreme.
A psychopath would have done this randomly or at an illogical time (say by raising rates at the outset of the Great Recession). Just because you don't like the outcome of a decision doesn't make the decision maker a psychopath, more so when they agree that they wish there was a better way.
They are psychopaths because they have no concern for the misery they cause. If it were themselves or their families who would have their lives ruined, rather than 1.2 million innocent Americans, they wouldn't be so quick to enact this policy. A policy only supported by very dubious research, mind you. They are no better than the generals that dropped the atomic bombs on Japan, Vladimir Putin, or any other psychopaths to full of shit to give a damn about the well-being of others.
They do this knowing taking no action will be far far worse for everyone. We saw what a decade of stagflation looked like and it’s much worse than limited job losses. Even those who lose jobs will be better off with a short recession rather than costs inflating away their earnings.
The actions taken in 2007 and 2008 were largely because of how terrified decision makers were of the Great Depression (Bernanke in particular was a deep student of that era and saw lots of similarities).
The Fed’s mandate has always been to control inflation and promote employment. The goals sometimes oppose each other. There’s no evidence they have stepped aside from this mandate. Employment was so prioritized by the Fed for so long that their actions promoting it probably fueled some of this inflation, and led to them to not fighting the inflation sooner. Hardly the actions of Vladimir Putin.
No, they don't know anything. The idea that unemployment and inflation is related comes from a theoretical model called NAIRU and promoted by neoliberal economists. The model has zero empirical evidence. In other words, these psychopaths could as well torture hamsters or dance rain dances and it would have the same impact on inflation as what they are doing now. People blindly believing them, as you do, are no different from Russians who believe that the war in Ukraine is necessary to protect "the Motherland". But when it is your livelihood on the line, you will change your tune, just like Russians who rather not themselves be drafted.
> There are individuals in precarious economic positions.
This is true across all income classes, because the classes are a distribution. While I agree that those in "precarious" positions may be concentrated in the gig economy for the reasons you suggested, this argument is an insufficient rebuttal.
> The pay on DoorDash is very low, because consumers won't pay that much for food delivery.
OK, so costs go up, consumers don't participate in the market, and the gig economy collapses. Are we in a better or worse position now?
> Here's a thread on the DoorDash Reddit
Do these individuals think the picture would be more rosey if they didn't even have this work for income?
> This is true across all income classes, because the classes are a distribution. While I agree that those in "precarious" positions may be concentrated in the gig economy for the reasons you suggested, this argument is an insufficient rebuttal.
That wasn't the entire rebuttal. But people in other income classes don't have anything to do with DoorDash. People in other income classes can be taken advantage of too (I believe there's a thread about SBF buying crypto companies on the cheap as they are on the brink of collapse). Another example might be loan sharking.
> OK, so costs go up, consumers don't participate in the market, and the gig economy collapses. Are we in a better or worse position now?
I believe this is what's called a false dichotomy. But I agree with you it's better to work on DoorDash than have no work and no money at all, if that's what you're offering up as an alternative. The fact that you acknowledge that is the only other alternative is actually a point in favor of it being "taking advantage".
> Do these individuals think the picture would be more rosey if they didn't even have this work for income?
> I believe this is what's called a false dichotomy.
i'm interested in how this is false. if the person could have worked for higher wages before the gig economy, then surely they would not need to rely on the this economy to exist. but those who are unemployed or underemployed clearly see the flexibility as an acceptable compromise for either lack of better skills (and time/money needed to acquire them) or no work at all.
i think the people who can be taken advantage of are those who cannot improve their situation (health issues, mentally or physically impaired, undocumented immigrants, elderly who cannot easily learn new skills or commute to a farther work location), but this is not gig workers as a whole.
people have a habit of complaining that the skills they refuse to advance dont pay much (fast food workers, coal miners). it's always the employer not paying enough, not the fact that someone treats a cashier position as a career rather than a temp job. my parents delivered pizza when we moved to the US in 1991 with $500 to their name. needless to say, they didnt deliver pizza for long despite living in a motel with two kids to raise and nearly non-existent english.
I meant it's false in that it implies there are no other possible solutions that could alleviate this problem.
But if it's not false, and it truly is their least bad option they are choosing over destitution, I would think that's a strong argument for it being "taking advantage". I guess I don't follow the logic of, essentially, "yes I admit this is a terrible job, but your alternative is nothing / starvation, so I'm not taking advantage!"
> i'm interested in how this is false. if the person could have worked for higher wages before the gig economy, then surely they would not need to rely on the this economy to exist
Companies like Uber, Doordash etc. are price dumping because they have unlimited investor money. Their competitors cannot compete, and go out of business. As a result you have a choice of either starving to death or working for these companies.
> it's always the employer not paying enough, not the fact that someone treats a cashier position as a career
A person working as a cashier has a right to a decent living. This has nothing to do with "career".
> A person working as a cashier has a right to a decent living. This has nothing to do with "career".
i think people have a right to food, clean water, shelter, and healthcare. regardless of their employment status. no one should be homeless. but 'decent' is an odd word. should a cashier have a right to 'decently' raise/feed/house 6 kids? i'm not sure. should a cashier have a right to a decent living in the most expensive city in the world? that's a tough one; all cities need cashiers. probably they should be able to afford to rent a studio apt at least, that's not a 60min commute.
i dont know what the number should be. but when it comes to supporting dependents, i would say that we as a society do not have an obligation to make every job - no matter how trivial/approachable/unnecessary - sufficient for the task.
the flip side of this is, of course, should every job be subsidized to support any lifestyle? i'm guessing that the answer is "no". so there is in fact a line to be drawn.
shoe repair doesnt pay what it used to a century ago, but somone can definitely start a business doing it in 2022, and then discover that it's a job that cannot sustain a family of 4. so the person will need to seek greener pastures. how is the gig or unskilled labor situation any different? if it doesnt pay enough to support dependents, then you have to do something else.
i think it's reasonable to say every job should support one person, but more than this should require more than minimum effort.
some of the jobs you listed can pay pretty well (after some time), actually. but bagging groceries at a supermarket is not one of them.
> should every job be subsidized to support any lifestyle
What do you mean by subsidize? You don't "subsidize jobs". You provide a living wage.
What do you mean by "this lifestyle"? It's not a "lifestyle" to have a decent life.
> how is the gig or unskilled labor situation any different
Because, as it was already pointed to you repeatedly, there might not be a choice of greener pastures. Besides this, why do you insist that a person working 8 hours in the hell that is fast food industry isn't worthy of having a decent life outside work? Who is worthy then? You? Why? Where do you draw the line?
I mean, you probably wouldn't last more than a few days in most "unskilled labor" jobs (which actually require quite a lot of skill). But sure, do tell me how you're better.
> i think the people who can be taken advantage of are those who cannot improve their situation
If all the large tech companies conspired to halve wages by agreeing not to hire each other’s employees, and succeeded, would you consider those workers affected to have been taken advantage of?
halving wages by itself, im not sure. if apple decided to take an 80% cut of app sales in their walled garden and made it unprofitable to develop apps there for indie developers, would they be liable for some people not being able to make a living off their platform? do we even know that tech companies are not taking advantage with current wages. apple makes $400k profit per employee, etc.
these gig economies owe their entire existence as a direct result of being mediated as walled gardens. if uber's app vanished tomorrow, so would millions of gig jobs.
but not hiring each other's workers, yes. and in general, price fixing and anti-colluding laws should be enforced to ensure a competative market.
If working for DoorDash is their best available option, I'm inclined to point the finger at every other company first. Why is it that DoorDash and the other Gig economy companies are offering the best available work option for so many? Where are the rest of the companies and the government? I've never really understood blaming the best available option for the lack of alternatives. There are also enough gig economy companies that if one of them was especially bad then workers could easily switch to the competitor.
You're correct that blaming the delivery apps is looking in the wrong place. If the government doesn't want people in precarious employment they should provide a social safety net. Then if the gig jobs were so bad, they would have no workers and would cease to exist. Otherwise, they must be ok.
> There are also enough gig economy companies that if one of them was especially bad then workers could easily switch to the competitor.
And if they're all the same since they all run the exact same business in the exact same markets?
> And if they're all the same since they all run the exact same business in the exact same markets?
The FTC says they're going to take a look to see if there is any collusion. There's a reason those laws are on the books and real harm to workers could happen if they were colluding. It seems like these gig economy companies are spending a lot of time and effort to entice workers from other gig economy companies to join them, so maybe it's actually working correctly already.
Every person “above” these people in the economic hierarchy benefit from their dire situation, and there is very little incentive to change that structure.
“I’ll do whatever I can to help you from suffering from me being on your back, except getting off your back.”
Sure, but not all databases have equal impact. Also, the relationship between an individual and the government is fundamentally different than that of a business relationship. I expect much more of my government, especially when considering if such a database is even needed.
To the parents post, litigation and firearms training are two things the NRA does well, which includes suing California over privacy issues such as this.
It's true. Not all databases have equal impact, but you have to admit that we all have some incredibly sensitive information exposed to various different kinds of leaks and breaches.
And on one hand, your relationship with your government is not the same as your relationship with private entities. However, at some level it doesn't matter who leaked a particular piece of information. If your favorite gun store gets hacked, and your collection is exposed along with your address, the effect is essentially the same as if it were the government of California getting hacked.
Are you saying gun stores keep electronic records of all their sales? They keep the forms (until they can be shredded), but I doubt they keep detailed electronic records beyond what's needed for accounting.
[2] is only "astounding" if you don't take the time to understand peoples' political philosophies, and I can probably guess your political leanings if you believe [1] causes [2] or that "poor people" can only be intrinsically motivated. I don't know any millionaires but I know plenty of people who think it's wrong for the government to confiscate wealth, who you seem to classify as "temporarily embarrassed millionaires." I'm sure some people think they'll get rich (looking at you crypto bros) but a lot of people simply think it's none of your or the governments business how much money other people have and what they do with it.
Because 100% of people don't want something is hardly "reason" to create a law and just because a majority wants something doesn't make it right. There are plenty of examples of that in history.
Is the role of government to maximize social good or individual liberty? I'd rather the latter because the examples of the former are abundant and dreadful. Anyone who thinks this isn't a race to the bottom where lawmakers trade "happiness" for votes at the cost of liberty is lying to themselves. Let's not kid ourselves, a 40 hour work week is not the same as child labor in the coal mines; such laws exist only to win votes. When will it be 20 hours a week? 16? At what point do we descend into the madness that embraced Rome where the role of government became appeasement of the populace to keep them from revolting?
>It's a symptom of a bigger problem in that U.S.A. schools and companies can terminate for arbitrary reasons.
Is this specific case really arbitrary though? Did you read the contract/terms & conditions that this individual was under? Was this termination random or on personal whim? Because it sounds like it's the result of an individual's actions in violation of an agreement between that individual and another entity.
>The U.S.A. seems culturally built upon a mentality that one should fear government, but never citizens, and consequently has developed an idea of “Free speech is only from the government.” whereas in most developed nations, freedom of opinion is a more active right that the government also attempts to safeguard from private citizens and schools.
Yes, that mentality is literally part of American culture. In the U.S., governments, unlike citizens, are granted a monopoly on the use of force so a natural distrust is not only appropriate but warranted. The government is under no obligation to defend your rights if you literally sign them away (although there are some rights which cannot be waived). You can say whatever you want, but there may be consequences depending on what you say and where you say it.
>> If you're saying f the school and f cheerleading and the goal of the cheer squad is to promote school spirit and pride... (she wasn't suspended, given detention, or kicked off the softball team) I know I would have been benched or cut if I talked about throwing a game or not trying my hardest and those statements made it back to the coach. It's not like they were monitoring social media for this.
> Luckily I can't be let go for this either.
People, including children, must learn there are consequences for what they say, particularly in a public forum (and this was effectively so). The only recourse in cases such as this is whether the response was appropriate e.g., within terms of a contract. I personally do not believe that what was said and who it was said to would warrant expulsion, but that's just an opinion, not a contract.
> Is this specific case really arbitrary though? Did you read the contract/terms & conditions that this individual was under? Was this termination random or on personal whim? Because it sounds like it's the result of an individual's actions in violation of an agreement between that individual and another entity.
Such contracts would not be enforceable of course.
Employer protections are not contractually waivable, they would be quite useless if they were.
> Yes, that mentality is literally part of American culture. In the U.S., governments, unlike citizens, are granted a monopoly on the use of force so a natural distrust is not only appropriate but warranted. The government is under no obligation to defend your rights if you literally sign them away (although there are some rights which cannot be waived). You can say whatever you want, but there may be consequences depending on what you say and where you say it.
Yet in most countries where the culture is not so, one does not for instance have a right to own firearms and self-defence in general is more curbed, so I do not believe that.
> People, including children, must learn there are consequences for what they say, particularly in a public forum (and this was effectively so). The only recourse in cases such as this is whether the response was appropriate e.g., within terms of a contract. I personally do not believe that what was said and who it was said to would warrant expulsion, but that's just an opinion, not a contract.
This is a circular reasoning; such consequences exist in the U.S.A. because the country allows employees to be terminated for it. — there are no such consequences in most developed nations.
If your outcome is students that are more capable at languages but less capable in virtually every other subject, is the result really "more capable and prepared students"? I'm not opposed to bilingualism but you're lying to yourself if you think this comes at zero cost to at least some students.