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Just remove the middleman & use https://theweave.social/moss/ p2p f/loss groupware


> OSI public source code -> Open Source / Free Software

Can we all please stop confusing Free/Libre Open Source with Open Source?

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/open-source-misses-the-point....

Maybe if we'd focused on communicating the ethics the world wouldn't be so unaware of the differences


Are there any instances of OSI licensed code that are not Free Software making my statement here invalid?

I was attempting to direct that when software is called Open Source and actually is based on OSI licensed sources, then they are likely talking about Free Software.


The last time I heard a comment along those lines I was attending a session by an Open Source person and up on screen they had a picture of RMS dressed as Che Guevara.

All those silly ethics, they get in the way of the real work!


Since you didn't get a real answer yet: Absolutely. For example, MIT is an OSI license but it's not Free Software.


Honestly, I think "the framers" got it right here.

Too much communicating of the ethics would have bogged down the useful legal work.

My take is, Free Software actually won and we're in a post-that world.


I'm not sure I fully understand - whilst I agree there's been useful legal work, we now have such a plethora of licenses I ended up having to back what I'd call basic common sense when someone was suggesting using a highly restrictive "community" license that had ridiculous intents such as saying you can't use it in this particular industry because that industry is "bad".

The reason Free/Libre Open Source Software wins - and always will do in the long run - is because the four freedoms are super-simple and they reflect how the natural world works.


Oh, you and I 100% agree.

I meant the useful legal work too. AKA, get the four freedoms and law in line as much as possible and no more.

You're right, most all the other licences range from "hmm interesting experiment" to "well that's just goofy."


Hopefully it'll spur growth of decentralised, distributed peer to peer mobiles like the new Holochain-based Volla Phone https://volla.online/en/


If you're adventurous, you could try:

https://theweave.social/moss/

It's early alpha - here's the story behind it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kh1UVlIKvNg


Drupal is the dark horse here, especially with the new can-run-in-your-browser Drupal CMS, try it out here:

http://dgo.to/drupal_cms

Out-of-the-box you've got a responsive theme, built-in accessibility, multilingual capabilities, a security team, and the accumulation of 23 years of tried-and-tested code.

The efforts that are being put into this new product are making it as easy to use as any other CMS, which is a huge leap for Drupal.

Add into the equation things like the new AI initiative (http://dgo.to/artificial_intelligence_initiative) where you can literally configure the site through chat as founder of Drupal, Dries Buytaert, recently demonstrated asking AI to create a categorisation of wine tour events based on the top 20 wine regions (https://bit.ly/wine-tours-taxonomy) I have a feeling that, based on my 21 years of using it, I think Drupal's going to surprise quite a few people over the next year.

I don't just use it as a CMS, I leverage native commerce (http://dgo.to/commerce) and CRM (http://dgo.to/contacts) modules in order to have a fully integrated framework which, architecturally, enables me to create functionality that would be expensive if even possible using separate systems.

There's even a no-code suite Drupal ECA (http://dgo.to/eca).

I could go on...


>For humanity and the future of software’s sake we need to go back to users of software owning their software, preferably by being free and open source.

I'm in the process of setting up a Community Interest Company to facilitate this very thing. I spent a couple of decades in the world of Drupal, which is the largest open source community in terms of contributors, and have spent the last few years following and supporting the ceptr.org project which is rebuilding the tech stack aligning as to how nature works.

One of CEPTR's subprojects is Holochain.org, a distributed agent-centric open source language, and I'm using https://theweave.social/moss/ which is built on Holochain, to collaborate with my as of current one collaborator who is my support worker, funded by an Access to Work grant as I discovered and was diagnosed last year aged 50 as autistic and ADHD.

Free/Libre Open Source Software can work and be sustainable, it just takes more people getting involved in every aspect of it, and I find the biggest issue there is the majority simply don't know this stuff exists, let alone they can use it and adapt it to their needs.

So times are changing, we have the power, we just give it away every day by not making the most of what we have control over.


>the ceptr.org project which is rebuilding the tech stack aligning as to how nature works.

I like the idea of building communities and software that is inspired by nature. Btw homepage looks nice.


You're quoting Software freedom 0 when referring to Microsoft? Wow, that's bold!


Bold would be accusing them of not allowing you to install shit quality kernel drivers in ring0, and then accusing them of negligence when you hose your machine by doing it.


I’m a big fan of https://fluxsocial.io/ as it’s fully distributed


Hm, this doesn't appear to have been discussed here before?

It's closed source?


Smells like token pumping


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