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It's always funny how many people think that the only font of altruism is taking care of children who have your DNA, like that's some kind of selfless act. It is, in fact, the ultimate vanity of which humans are capable. Raising little variations of yourself might make you feel good, but if you think it's a unique path to a fulfilling life I suggest you are the one in the little bubble.

> It's always funny how many people think that the only font of altruism is taking care of children who have your DNA, like that's some kind of selfless act

This is a strawman position in my opinion. I don't think there's that many people who think they're carrying out some selfless act by having children. It's simply biologically true that the children you'll probably have the easiest time raising are your own and, assuming we want to continue as a species, we do need people to have children. It's fine to have them, fine to not, neither side has some moral high ground.


I think what usually gets mixed up is how the responsibility works, and biological children sit at the overlap.

The thing I most crucially remember about my son being born is that it felt downright easy to simply dive into all the things I would now be doing: because there was no one else. I either got it done or it didn't get done.

Someone else's kids on the other hand there is a choice: their parents.

It's not absolute IMO but you also see it echoed by working too: when it's your job, it's a lot easier to simply go "right I need to handle this" then when it's not.


I think this mindset might be unique to western "atomic families." I have friends that would talk similarly about this kind of responsibility to cousins or non "genetically related" people in their village.

Whether it is vanity or not is not determined by what you are doing, but why you are doing it. The vanity is not intrinsic.

It’s uh, historically proven, so to say.

We are having fewer children and also seeing huge increases in loneliness and mental health problems.

Even despite the mitigating effect of having fewer children, we are seeing huge increases in loneliness and mental health problems.

Fortunately I have this magic tiger rock that keeps tigers away, I think it works for those things too.

Of course. The point is not to make individual players money (that does sometimes happen as a side effect) it's to leverage their greed to find truth.

Except it's not "truth" as much as it is whatever has the most financial incentive to happen.

To some approximation, the two are the same.

Virtue signaling is when you stop giving people your money because you don't like what they do.

It's hilarious how mad the hogs get when you suggest maybe not supporting their powerful daddies. It doesn't matter which daddy it is, inevitably taking your ball and going home is 'virtue signaling'


I get a fair amount of use out of it. I'm not using it for professional software development, just hobby stuff that I don't to write the boring parts of. For 20 bucks a month that seems pretty reasonable.

It's the only thing that matters. These companies don't follow the rules of capitalism physics. They live or die on vibes alone and the tech community abandoning them en masse is bad for the vibes. Once they lose the vibes they are Wiley Coyote looking down at the canyon below.

The project is simply saying what they want. If you choose to ignore that for some weird reason congratulations for being a jerk, I guess.

Can you confirm that continuing to use autocomplete in a code base against the policy of the project does make the person a jerk?

Yes, actually. Knowingly violating the policies of a project while pretending you aren't, so you can continue participating in the fully voluntary project, does make you a jerk.

If you don't like the policies they set, just leave.

I'm willing to bet that every single person on here complaining has zero contributions to PostmarketOS.


No, it's entirely justified when quality of code matters. They don't want a thousand gallons of unreviewable slop. They want a reasonable amount of code that can be sensibility reviewed.

There are ways to achieve that without a blanket ban, if you read their AI policy it seems more "ethically" motivated. They certainly address this first, with many more words and 7 references.

They do go on to address code quality but it is more of an after thought with 0 references, less words and appears lower down the page.

The timing is also suspicious, shortly after publication of this report: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-ma... which forecasts declining smartphone sales meaning less devices for this OS to run on.


> The timing is also suspicious, shortly after publication of this report: https://www.reuters.com/business/media-telecom/smartphone-ma... which forecasts declining smartphone sales meaning less devices for this OS to run on.

Why would declining sales of new smartphones have anything to do with PostMarketOS, which only supports phones more than half a decade old?


PostmarketOS doesn't exist in a vacuum. It’s the final stage of a device's life cycle. If the initial sales of new devices decline, the pool of available hardware for enthusiasts to tinker with in five years will be significantly smaller.

Yes. In five years, once the PMOS devs manage to get a 2025 device in working state, they might have less devices to play around with, so there could be an indirect effect on the project.

What I struggle to believe - what I don't believe - is that there any sort of connection between the report about likely declining sales and PMOS' announcement.


pmOS does support recent phones, provided that they can be bootloader-unlocked - and that's only a few brands these days.

Right now, their wiki page on device support [0] lists zero actual devices as "fully supported":

> These are the most supported devices, maintained by at least 2 people and have the functions you expect from the device running its normal OS, such as calling on a phone, working audio, and a functional UI.

> Besides QEMU devices, this is currently empty. The ports we had here earlier weren't as reliable as we would have liked. We plan to add new devices here with a higher standard.

The most recent smartphone in the Community section of that page is the Fairphone 4, released half a decade ago, in 2021. Pixel devices can trivially be bootloader unlocked, but that doesn't make the work that goes into supporting them much easier: the latest device in Testing is the 6a/6 Pro, from 2022, and its device page lists all the features but the most basic (touchscreen, flash, internal storage) as "Untested".

[0] https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Devices


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This is incredibly simple. If a project doesn't want machine generated code, don't force machine generated code into the project. This isn't anything here that warrants multiple paragraphs of freakout.

This implies any actual investment took place, which would be an innovative break from the typical scenario with AI firms.

Oh the "investment" is definitely taking place on paper. Whether any money actually changes hands... doubtful.

Moving money from one pile to another is only useful when the rest of us do actual work. The mistake that the west is making is assuming moving piles of money from one place to another is the actual work.

There is no value in pure finance.


You can't live in a vacuum, and you'll struggle to find a career in "pure finance".

> The mistake that the west is making is assuming moving piles of money from one place to another is the actual work.

Nobody assumes that.


At least you're honest enough to admit ignorant tech bro status out loud.

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