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this is what we're doing :)


Mattermost adheres to the same tactics as Salesforce: group calls in v10 only with paid tiers whereas free before. Have you considered alternatives?

  - Zulip
  - Matrix/Synapse and Element
  - Mostlymatter [1] without #user limits
See discussions below in this HN thread.

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/1fp76f0/matterm...

[1] https://forum.mattermost.com/t/solved-is-there-any-limitatio...


We're selfhosting it! If it runs on our infrastructure, we can't be extorted like this again


You'd think so, but I've been hosting MM for about 6 years, and it's definitely gotten more user- and admin-hostile in that time. They've restricted really vital improvements to paying customers (basic stuff, like having a functioning search), removed existing features (like video calls) and started shoving in more advertisements and nags to upgrade to a higher tier.

The fact that they've ramped that stuff up so much in the last couple years does not bode well for the future, in my opinion.

My installation isn't associated with a business, it's just a chat board for about 30 people, so there's no question of me being willing to pay $300 a month for the privilege.

I'm sticking with Mattermost because there's no better option, and I've got hundreds of thousands of messages I don't want to lose. However, it isn't like they don't try to extort you just because they're better than Slack about it.


For what it's worth, Zulip has a Mattermost data import tool, and communities are an important use case when we set product direction.

While I can't promise we won't ever change our exact monetization strategy, we're not venture-funded, and thus are immune to the usual enshittification pressures. https://zulip.com/values/ has some context.

(I lead the Zulip project)


Microsoft shops from the 90s called in to say: "You're wrong"

It just takes a bit more effort, that's all.


Is that using Jitsi or whatever it is? I thought that was third party? I actually set that up for work before realising that we all hate voice/video calls and would just prefer to type. :P


Yep! They got a Macbook Pro!


Damn that’s so cool. When I heard about that kid programming OSS on his phone it really put me to shame complaining about my work load.


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