It was revealed to me in a dream

Also interested in this - the kWh figures people talk about do not match the price of the subscriptions

Nor do they have to. Inference from different users is batched together.

Ok? Even if they're batched? Grid energy is batched too

How else will you get iMessage?

AI companies must hate this right? Because they're selling tokens at a loss?

Google has started banning account that use Antigravy's discounted access instead of paying full price for the API https://github.com/openclaw/openclaw/issues/14203

> Impact: > Users are losing access to their Google accounts permanently > No clear path to account restoration > Affects both personal and work accounts

honestly, this is why I would not trust gemini for anything. I have a lot tied to my gmail, I'm not going to risk that for some random ai that insists on being tied to the same account.

They blocked your entire Gmail/Google account , not just the Gemini access?

That's a recipe for bots to ruin a lot of people's life.

Using different Google accounts won't save you, once Google decide to ban for TOS, all related accounts go with it https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30823910

Bold of you to assume profitability is one of their KPIs

My understanding was that if everyone paid and used AI the companies would go into liquidation on energy bills etc

Energy bills wouldn't be the problem if everyone used AI, energy supply would be.

Are you sure? I thought tokens (or watts) were sold at such a loss that if current supply limits were reached they’d go broke

These companies are generally profitable for inference but it does not cover the cost of R&D (training).

If its profitable why are they banning people from using it in systems like claw?

After a quick search it looks like Google is banning some people who are using Antigravity OAuth with OpenClaw as opposed to paying for API access.

I can't find any instance of an API which charges per-token banning users.

The entire marginal cost to serve AI models is paid for by the API costs of all providers by nearly every estimation. The cost not currently recouped is entirely in the training and net-new infrastructure that they're building.

And the open source models are only months behind, so the big AI companies need to keep burning money on R&D with no end in sight. If OpenAI took a quarter off from model development, they might fall behind forever.

So why are they banning people from using it in systems like claw?

From all indications the big players have healthy margins on inference.

Research and training are the cost sinks.

Is that just because people pay subscriptions and never use their tokens? Same model as ISPs

Did claudebot have paying customers? My understanding with these companies is that you buy the market, the product can just be forked (like Amazon did)

Sounds more like busy work rather than something that makes money

Well all of that is false and tbh sounds a bit sus

Infinite growth is a childish belief

If someone from the Phillipines clicks waypoints for a drone in Ukraine, is it a warcrime?

My exact reaction

>food is largely a solved problem

It really isn't...

Distribution is an issue, but the imminent capacity issue perceived in the late 1960s when The Population Bomb was written was already being solved when it was entering the popular consciousness (but the impact of the solutions had not been fully appreciated) by the Green Revolution through high-yield crop varieties and other advanced in agriculture.

Production of calories is a solved problem. Distribution of food to people in need on the other hand…

It's not really a solved problem, we're depleting many extremely slow to recover resources in order to produce the amounts we are today.

There's more to nutrition than calories. Generally speaking: the more nutritive, the more expensive.

Yeah, spoken like someone who only understands food as something that magically and without fail appears on their local stores.

*logistics of food is not solved?

Neither production nor logistics is solved at all. We have bought ourselves time, largely by racking up environmental debt on our planetary credit card. Food is still massively dependent on fossil fuel consumption (machinery, transport, fertilizer).

The good news is that the answer is to reduce the cost and carbon impact of energy production, and we’re making great progress here, but we cannot afford to take our foot off the gas, because although Ehrlich was wrong about the timing, he wasn’t wrong in his fundamental observation that the Earth has a finite carrying capacity.

The idea that he was off on the timing is wrong. He was wrong and continued to be wrong even as he insisted his predictions would come any day now