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> Our chat rooms are bridged across Discord, Telegram and Matrix so you can choose your preferred platform.

> We have an official forum for longer form posts, which is publicly accessible and easier to search. We are using Flarum for our forum.

https://discuss.grapheneos.org/

If they mandated discord as a closed support community sure, but you can't be too upset by the mere affiliation with a discord channel when they also offer all the above


I'm just disappointed that they associate with Discord at all, given that it is the antithesis of privacy and Freedom.


The focus is security. Be disappointed in all the other free platforms that cannot provide adequate moderation or stability.

Do you happen to know a suitable alternative?


I’m disappointed that you associate with Hacker News given the (presumably) myriad anti-Freedom anti-privacy startups Y Combinator has funded.


> worried if they ever allowed unsigned apps to run

I see this stance often - Do you mean worried for the wellbeing of the easily manipulable (e.g. children) on the platform, Or worried for the quality floor more generally?

The former has an argument, the latter does not in my opinion. Even then while I welcome a requirement for apple to notarise apps for regular install (particularly as a means to verify the source), I'd also demand the ability to run unsigned apps unrestricted - whether the barrier is self-signing, a settings checkbox, make me stare at a 30s countdown, whatever.


I worry about my family both young and old who all had adware and malware ridden Android phones before I got them iPhones.

The vast majority of people use smartphones against their will and have no desire to learn anything about the magical Facebook machine in their hands.

They press buttons and things happen, who cares what the dialog box says, they press the button that will get them doing what they want to do the fastest, who cares if it said whatever they were doing is dangerous. This is how most people view their phones, and why there are Android botnets and not iOS botnets.


> who all had adware and malware ridden Android phones before I got them iPhones.

In all fairness nothing changes. You are happy with the store? Stay on the store!

But I am an adult, a developer with 25 years of experience and enjoy hacking.

It is my right to pretend from Apple to let me install whatever I want on the device I bought and own 100% and to not be patronizing.

Put the damn setting somewhere hard to activate accidentally and require triple authorisation if it need to be, but stop playing games.

Thanks


All of your concerns are actually solvable through software … if Apple were willing to work on it. But doing that doesn’t bring a lot of revenue so they keep pushing the narrative how the entire category of applications is malicious or risky.


Exactly. My device, my code can run.

The idea that I can't run my own apps because a company is protecting me is laughable.


Google Camera works fine, but is not included out-the-box

Google Pay will not work as GrapheneOS makes no attempt to masquerade as a Google-Certified device [0]

[0] https://grapheneos.org/usage#banking-apps


It does not work on the phone, but I was able to use NFC payments with Google Wallet through my Pixel Watch.


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