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Bad take. Kobo lets you know which books have DRM and which don't. And even with DRM, you can get them into Adobe Digital Editions and load them on to basically any e-reader. (Maybe not Kindle since it won't open DRM'd ePubs.)

I buy like 60% of my ebooks from Kobo and have never owned a Kobo-brand ereader.


In the end that's also shitty. I don't want to "get them into Adobe Digital Editions". I don't want to have to use Adobe shitware, and I don't want their special formats. Just give me the epub or pdf. Also their website treated me like shit and they have no good way to contact anyone visible on their website.

Kobo is not it. Maybe they once were, at some point before I tried using them. I am not gonna support them after my experience with them.


As I explained above, you can get the ePubs directly if you just used the free Kobo desktop app. I think you need to ask yourself why you were OK using the Amazon Kindle app for DeDRM but Kobo or Adobe's was a huge burden. Really Bizzare IMO.


Do you know the concept of time passing? Could it be possible, that my stance regarding ebooks changed over time, and that I have become more aware of the associated issues? Hmmmm.

What is bizarre here is you posting these comments, trying to invalidate my all around terrible experience with Kobo. Your account is green behind the ears and all your comments are on Kobo, Kobo, Kobo. Go figure.


I like eBooks, I've had eReaders from Sony, Kobo, Amazon and Boox, bought from Amazon, Kobo, Google Play, and several of the smaller players like Baen. Outside of the completely DRM-free places like Baen which are very limited in selection, Kobo is IMO the easiest to get a DRM-free file in the end. Your posts were IMO very off the mark that it got me to comment. I'd rather people try Kobo than keep feeding the Amazon machine.


If you don't like DRM, you definitely want to use Adobe Digital Editions. I'll leave it to you to find out why.


Why? It's still DRM. Pretty awful one IMO. Our local library used it.

Personally I just buy my books DRM free now. If that's not possible, then I get them from my friend Anna who has a nice library.


I said, "I'll leave it to you to find out why". This is a public forum. Just maybe look up some Calibre plug-ins which might help you "manage" DRM books.


I've used it and I found it the worst form of DRM. It required creating an "account" with Adobe despite having no relationship with them (It was to access books at my local library where I already had an account) and the software didn't even work on linux. Even getting it to work at all took ages of tinkering and I'm an IT expert. My parents who just wanted to simply check out a book out of the digital library during the pandemic would never have managed to figure that out.

And yes I have liberated all my DRM books from Amazon. But Adobe Digital I will never touch again (Nor buy books with DRM on it in the first place).


It's actually simple:

1. Install ADE on Windows (or a Windows VM (recommended))

2. Log in with Adobe account

3. Download ASCM files from Kobo or Google Play Books and open with ADE

4. the optional step I've been trying to hint at for like 3 posts now

5. Put it on your reader!


Really that is WAY too complicated for my folks. And for me I don't want accounts with big tech companies to do something local so step 2 was already a blocking point.

And as for removing the DRM (I assume that's what you're hinting at), yeah but that can be done with kindle's and kobo's too and in less roundabout ways. The existence of a hack for Adobe DRM doesn't make that a 'good' DRM.


OK, how do "your folks" break Kindle's DRM?


I'm more into the satisfaction of breaking DRM, but this is good too. Kudos for supporting authors!


"Now all my digital purchases are gone."

If you used to be one of those good consumers who would never even think of breaking DRM, I hope you reconsider it now.


One of the primary functions of DRM is to remove a paying customer's access to the works they paid for. There's nothing "wild" or "crazy" or "unbelievable" about it.


Bookshop, Kobo, Google Play Books


You're financially incentivising them. You could do the same process with Kobo, without rewarding Amazon at all.


I love breaking DRM, but you should at least buy the books. Authors, editors, illustrators, and translators all deserve to be paid for their work.


That's my take. I break the DRM off books I've bought. I own those copies. I'll format shift them for my own convenience. Bought on Kindle but want to read on my Kobo? It's impossible to make me feel guilt about that.

But I don't read books I haven't legally acquired, whether through a paid bookstore, or temporarily borrowed via Libby, or Standard Ebooks or whatever. I won't yell at other people for doing that, but I don't do it myself. In a nutshell, I follow the same rules as with physical books I own (or temporarily possess).


Try actually using a Kobo reader sometime.


Only some are. At the bottom of each book's store page, you can see if a book is DRM-free. And if it is DRM-free, you can download an ePub.

Example: https://www.kobo.com/us/en/ebook/gardens-of-the-moon

They've been doing this for YEARS before Amazon.


I don't think learning a new tool will cause you to be unemployed.


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