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I recently installed Zeroclaw instead of OpenClaw on a new VPS(It seems a little safer). It wasn’t as straightforward as OpenClaw, but it was easy to setup. I added skills that call endpoints and also cron jobs to trigger recurrent skills. The endpoints are hosted on a separate VPS running FastAPI (Hetzner, ~$12/month for two vps).

I’m assuming the claw might eventually be compromised. If that happens, the damage is limited: they could steal the GLM coding API key (which has a fixed monthly cost, so no risk of huge bills), spam the endpoints (which are rate-limited), or access a Telegram bot I use specifically for this project


I recently installed Zeroclaw instead of OpenClaw on a new VPS(It seems a little safer). It wasn’t as straightforward as OpenClaw, but it was easy to setup. I added skills that call endpoints and also cron jobs to trigger recurrent skills. The endpoints are hosted on a separate VPS running FastAPI (Hetzner, ~$12/month for two vps).

I’m assuming the claw might eventually be compromised. If that happens, the damage is limited: they could steal the GLM coding API key (which has a fixed monthly cost, so no risk of huge bills), spam the endpoints (which are rate-limited), or access a Telegram bot I use specifically for this project


I think what it means is that coding is difficult but predictable — in the sense that, you can solve it by throwing enough money at it. Figuring out what to build in a way that actually leads to product-market fit, on the other hand, is something you cannot solve just by throwing money at it. So in this frame, coding becomes 'the easy part' — not because it's truly easy, but because it can be solved relatively straightforwardly with resources

I think unless you're doing simple tasks, skills are unreliable. For better reliability, I have the agent trigger APIs that handles the complex logic (and its own LLM calls) internally. Has anyone found a solid strategy for making complex 'skills' more dependable?

In my experience, all text “instruction” to the agent should be taken on a prayer. If you write compact agent guidance that is not contradictory and is local and useful to your project, the agent will follow it most of the time. There is nothing that you can write that will force the agent to follow it all of the time.

If one can accept failure to follow instructions, then the world is open. That condition does not really comport with how we think about machines. Nevertheless, it is the case.

Right now, a productive split is to place things that you need to happen into tooling and harnessing, and place things that would be nice for the agent to conceptualize into skills.


Yeah, that's my experience too

My only strategy is what used to be called slash-commands but are also skills now, I.e I call them explicitly. I think that actually works quite well and you can allow specific tools and tell it to use specific hooks for security of validation in the frontmatter properties.

Is it that the skills aren't being triggered reliably, or that they get triggered but the skill itself is complex and doesn't work as expected?

both

I haven't done a lot with skills yet, but maybe try and leverage hooks to enforce skill usage, and move most of the skill's logic and complexity into a script so the agent only needs to reason about how to call the script.

I think I'll wait until they are more reliable. For now, I use skills, but they just specify which endpoint to call. It should be also safer, different vps, no access to credentials but the bearer token.

Having the skill be "call this script with these args" seems to reduce the amount of stuff that goes wrong

I found interrupting and insisting on the skill use the easiest way...got to be better ways like this

I want to use OpenClaw, but it seems like a mess. I want to use glam coding plan as the backend with the since it's cheap. I found ZeroClaw to be an interesting option, maybe hosted on Hetzner. I don't want to give it access to my stuff—I just need it to remind me of things and call APIs that do stuff (like looking for papers and converting them into audio, or suggesting a grocery list—all behind APIs), and talk to me via WhatsApp/telegram. I was also thinking about making a FastAPI server that Claw can call instead of using skills.

Has anyone tried something like this? Do you think it's a good idea / architecture?


I had Openclaw running in a separate machine on glm coding plan and connected to its own Whatsapp account. Worked fine. However, Openclaw sucks at reminding. It could barely handle cron jobs at all. My workaround for it was to instruct it to add reminders to its heartbeat.md with a clause to run when a certain datetime is passed (heartbeat is run every 30m).

Have you tried less bloated claws?


I tried Opus 4.6 recently and it’s really good. I had ditched Claude a long time ago for Grok + Gemini + OpenCode with Chinese models. I used Grok/Gemini for planning and core files, and OpenCode for setup, running, deploying, and editing.

However, Opus made me rethink my entire workflow. Now, I do it like this:

* PRD (Product Requirements Document)

* main.py + requirements.txt + readme.md (I ask for minimal, functional, modular code that fits the main.py)

* Ask for a step-by-step ordered plan

* Ask to focus on one step at a time

The super powerful thing is that I don’t get stuck on missing accounts, keys, etc. Everything is ordered and runs smoothly. I go rapidly from idea to working product, and it’s incredibly easy to iterate if I figure out new features are required while testing. I also have GLM via OpenCode, but I mainly use it for "dumb" tasks.

Interestingly, for reasoning capabilities regarding standard logic inside the code, I found Gemini 3 Flash to be very good and relatively cheap. I don't use Claude Code for the actual coding because forcing everything via chat into a main.py encourages minimal code that's easy to skim—it gives me a clearer representation of the feature space


Why would you use Grok at all? The one LLM that they're purposely trying to get specific output from (trying to make it "conservative"). I wouldn't want to use a project that I outright know is tainted by the owners trying to introduce bias.

I feel like they want to be like Apple, and open-code + open-source models are Linux. The thing is, Apple is (for some) way better in user experience and quality. I think they can pull it off only if they keep their distance from the others. But if Google/Chinese models become as good as Claude, then there won’t be a reason — at least for me — to pay 10x for the product

I want to learn robotics too!! I have a feeling that trying to build something helpful for myself, with help from LLMs, could be a good strategy—but I have no idea! Possibly budget-friendly


It's interesting how there may be an implicit assumption that imposing more rules on tech will lead to positive outcomes. From my perspective, technology is like reality itself: very difficult to control, with countless ways to achieve the desired result while circumventing the rules. And what's the actual result? Just look at the market capitalization of European companies compared to US companies... Or maybe it just feels good to add new rules and engage in virtue-signaling contests. Or maybe it's just a way to make everything illegal—'find me the person, and I'll find you the crime' type of control. Maybe a combination of all those. Who knows? From my experience, the farther you get from the influence of bureaucrats, the happier life becomes...


The regulatory frameworks in the EU are intentionally not designed like the US, to maximize company profits over e.g. human rights and health.

It is thoroughly documented that social media and the modern web are designed to be addictive, by psychologists who specialize in this. We regulate access to other addictive things, because addictive things break humans' normal control systems.

> "the farther you get from the influence of bureaucrats, the happier life becomes"

only when things are "normal" and if you're a default power-holder in a community. For everyone else, really no.


> Just look at the market capitalization of European companies compared to US companies...

Counterexample: just look at the state of EU tech companies compared to Chinese tech companies.

I’m not saying China is an attractive example, but chalking up Europe’s tech issues to a regulation problem fails to address europe’s digital woes.


> Just look at the market capitalization of European companies compared to US companies...

A huge portion of that market cap exists only because the companies in question are allowed to act unethically. Aside from that, all this wealth is concentrated in the hands of a small minority.

Ultimately the economy exists to serve us, not the other way around. What good all that market cap does for the average American?


Indeed the cat and mouse game is tedious... There's a case to be made that you should just act on the root cause of all these issues with a neutral policy tool. The best tested of all regulatory tools is taxation. Reduce the profit motive slightly and many of these aberrations nobody likes will go away.


Instead of market capitalization, have you looked at comparisons for happiness?


Or even lifespan… It’s crazy that USA is so ahead in tech yet life expectancy is 78 versus 81 in Germany or 84 in Spain


Aren't you happy that when you buy food, it doesn't contain cocaine? Regulations are totally necessary and addictive online social media is a well documented plague in our youths especially.

This very US lobbyists narrative that Europe regulate while missing out on the economy is used and abused anytime something look like contrary to US interests in MAGA land.


> And what's the actual result? Just look at the market capitalization of European companies compared to US companies..

Europe is actually doing quite well at the moment. The European stock markets have over-performed quite decently vs. the US ever since Trump became president, despite the various curveballs thrown at Europe in recent years. Market capitalisation in the US is held up primarily by the Magnificent 7 who are great outliers in the American stock market.


There is a recency bias here. The Sp500 has outperformed the Stoxx600 every year for the last 5 years, except 2022.

Cumulative returns are around 100% for the american index, vs 60% for the EU one.


Maybe the momentum of Stoxx600 will last the next 4 years? Or maybe the S&P500 will come crashing down soon? Who knows.

The Shiller PE ratio is insanely high. At least the European market isn't completely overinvested in just 7 companies who are spending a lot of their money on the exact same thing, so it has that going for it.


I paid for the $30 plan. It's useful to me via OpenCode as a cheap backend for CLI/Agentic workflows.

I also want to try it with Wiggam Loop to test whether they can together build production-level code if guided via prompts and a PRD. Let's see!


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