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They are basically Anti Tesla propaganda, as Fred has admitted.

Yes, regardless of the product quality, this article really pushes hard to find a negative narrative without thinking about alternative explanations.

There are real, legitimate concerns here, but they are hidden behind a lot of assumptions.


Turns out Waymo hits a lot of things too. Why isn't Lidar stopping that?

Last I checked, Robotaxi has a safety driver, whereas Waymo is completely self driving, yet has a very good safety record. That speaks volumes to me.

https://waymo.com/safety/impact/


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Could you please not post in the flamewar style to HN? We're trying for something else here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html


Yes, I will try to find better ways to engage. Thanks for your moderating hand here.

Appreciated!

Completely self driving? Don't they go into a panic mode, stop the vehicle, then call back to a central location where a human driver can take remote control of the vehicle?

They've been seen doing this at crime scenes and in the middle of police traffic stops. That speaks volumes too.


Incorrect humans never take over the controls. An operator is presented with a set of options and they choose one, which the car then performs. The human is never in direct control of the vehicle. If this process fails then they send a physical human to drive the car.

> humans never take over the controls

> presented with a set of options and they choose one

> they send a physical human to drive the car.

Those all sound like "controls" to me.

"Fleet response can influence the Waymo Driver's path, whether indirectly through indicating lane closures, explicitly requesting the AV use a particular lane, or, in the most complex scenarios, explicitly proposing a path for the vehicle to consider. "

https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/

So they built new controls that typical vehicles don't have. Then they use them. I fail to see how any of this is "incorrect." It is, in fact, _built in_ to the system from the ground up.

Semantic games aside, it is obviously more incorrect to call them "completely self driving" especially when they "ask for help." Do human drivers do this while driving?


I don't know what you're trying to prove here. Stopping safely and waiting for human input in edge cases is fine (Waymo). Crashing into things is not fine (Tesla).

What is Waymo's accident rate? (Edit: Tesla's is in the article, at least for that region.)

and there is a linked article about Waymo's data reporting, which is much more granular and detailed, whereas Tesla's is lumpy and redacted. Anyway, Waymo's data with more than 100M miles of self-supervised driving shows a 91% reduction in accidents vs humans. Tesla's is 10x the human accident rate according to the Austin data.

Nothing Electrek says can really be taken seriously. They’ve openly said they have an axe to grind

Looks like that plague stopped in 2007? I have a 8 year old LCD that died out of nowhere as well, So I'm guessing wouldn't be affected by this. Could still be a capacitor issue though



lol, nasa was delayed over and over and over. Even getting to the moon was pretty recent after explosions to where many didn’t think it was safe. Some revisionist history going on here


We put far more money into healthcare and education, by a literal order of magnitude.

US spends 1.75 trillion on education per year, and 2.12 trillion on healthcare. People make it out like we aren't putting a ton of money into this stuff when those are literally are two biggest expenses. Space X is a drop in the bucket compared to that.


That and the other thing I think he does that's just as important is go get things unstuck. When there is bureaucracy and managers getting in the way he gets it through. Very under appreciated IMO.


That's amazing! Good for you man.


This reads like a propaganda piece written by CATL. Batteries don't have range cars have range so I'm not even sure what this means sure a battery with four wheels would get great mileage otherwise it's not clear what this even means


It is written by CATL. They prefer to call it a "press release", but yeah, "propaganda" is also accurate.

Here's the primary source:

https://www.catl.com/en/news/6527.html

Some reporter at Electrek gave it a very light polish and put their name on it.


Most of the issue is that their competitors are selling at a big loss. Ford admitted so recently and are starting to make fewer cars. Rivian and lucid are also hemmoraging money.

Without the tax credit these companies may cease to exist or stop making evs in the case of Ford.

It's likely they will have fewer competitors soon


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